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Thiel
Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 7:26 am
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You really need to do something about all the different colours on the superstructure. I realize that's probably how it looks in the pictures, due to the paints deteriorating in various ways, but since SB is supposed to show ships in pristine condition, they would all be the same colour.

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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 9:34 am
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I think maybe you are trying to indicate depth by various shades on the superstructure, rather than fading? I wouldn't personally object to that when done in a subtle way. Re the nets you've drawn, I like them as being more life-like; and if you are promoting them for the parts sheets I would support that. Overall this is a really excellent drawing, and my congratulations on it - and looking forward to seeing it completed. :D


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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 11:13 am
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bezobrazov wrote:
Kim, look at my Type22s for a correct shaped and sized ImarSat (at the front edge of the funnels of the London and Sheffield, and the three B3s.) For the big Scot dome, I'd definitely prefer (left to right) no 2. It has the right shape and also I really agree with the way you're emulating its greenish tinted grey, so prevalent in many photos of these structures, not only for your class, but other RN classes of ships too. As for the rudders and shaft, they could either be of the retractable nature or simply detachable. These boats are very different from traditional motor boats and launches, so they may feature non-traditional details. Otherwise, as I've said earlier. Simply gorgeous! - Oh, and I'd wish that you'd take time and do the CoAs for my ships too! Your skills there,is nothing I'll ever match!
Thanks for the info about the motor boat. It explains why, so now I've no reason to be confused ;) The domes fixed! And for the COA's I will be honoured :)
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You really need to do something about all the different colours on the superstructure. I realize that's probably how it looks in the pictures, due to the paints deteriorating in various ways, but since SB is supposed to show ships in pristine condition, they would all be the same colour.
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I think maybe you are trying to indicate depth by various shades on the superstructure, rather than fading? I wouldn't personally object to that when done in a subtle way. Re the nets you've drawn, I like them as being more life-like; and if you are promoting them for the parts sheets I would support that. Overall this is a really excellent drawing, and my congratulations on it - and looking forward to seeing it completed.
I'll hope she is right now. Yes, I was trying to indicate depth by using five grades of grey. But according your comments I've reduced it to three: One dark grey for the hull, one light grey for the outer superstructure, and one grey between to the inner superstructure. I'll hope it's according SB-rules, because I've tried to figure it out reading the tutorials without being wiser :? Concerning the net rails - thanks PB - I will post them in the parts sheet discussion.
But here she is (if the grey is ok) I only miss to figure two issues out now :!:

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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 12:49 pm
Wow! That looks really great!


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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 5:16 pm
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Well, I like what you've now arrived at, so no more comments from me: other than to say what a great looking ship! And, this proves that support ships can look sexy as well :)


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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 5:58 pm
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Hear, hear, PB! I wholly concur! And Kim, thanks for your positice response! Made me very happy!

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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 6:21 pm
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I must say you have done a superb job there mate. :P


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Thiel
Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 8:27 pm
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I'm still not digging the colour. They go against the standard

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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 8:56 pm
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I do dig the colors since they clearly and beautifully emphasizes the complicated deck- and superstructure layout of the ship. In my view, Kim has done a wonderful job in creating an almost three-dimensional effect. And Thiel, I think I've gone somewhat against the standard with my drawings too, for precisely the same reason, that I think Kim is doing, and he's come up with a new phenomenon which I think we ought to celebrate: Shipbucket-Reality-Art. This is, in fact, the way I always attempted to illustrate my ship-drawings when I was limited to the doodling on paper with pencil, ink and ruler (and, of course eraser!)

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Post subject: Re: AO Fort (I) Class RFA Fort Austin A386Posted: April 21st, 2011, 10:59 pm
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Thanks all of you for your positive and constructive comments. Only one thing; I'm a bit confused about the colouring which Thiel write about. I don't see the tutorial is clear enough about it. It says to use a darker grey on the hull and a lighter grey on superstructure and weapon, but not about if it is allowed to give depth or not with a different grey! I have read in discussion about the issue, and as I understand what Colloseum and Gollovainen wrote it's allowed to use three different grey. But maybe I misunderstand the discussion???

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