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some of the ship have an radar layout that will not work

guys i am on this forum since 2011, i am fully aware of the rules, so no need of attacking me, i am not newbie that just came here,

i made mistake as i said, i did it in late hour, in all drawings, that use someone else i always give credit, i do plan to make a new chart in shipbucket layout, this one was not even suppose to be upload here, but since i didnt got any other, and these days i have simply to much work to get hunting on forum for the each plane model i need, so i simply throw what i had,

as for the radars, yes i am aware that they would not work (i do plan to change those 2D to 3D), however since this is an alternative universe, i didnt really pay to much attention on every detail. However il do fix some of those stuff as i get time for it. Originally i didn't even want to use Independence, i want to make my own variant of Littoral ship, however time didn't allow me, so i simply took already existed one from Darth Panda, it saved me lots of time of drawing new ship from scratch,

Once again, il fix those tiny errors on some ships, new Air Force chart will correct,

is there any air force chart on this forum i could look, how is done, so that i can do it the same ?

Nobody is attacking you, we are just saying to give everyone their due credit and if that means editing your drawing in order to give proper credit, then that is what you should do. I had to do it a couple times myself, it's an acceptable mistake, especially when putting together an AU. You forget stuff like that a bunch, which is ok.

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I understand that, and i fully agree, i did mistake that i use to big size for the chart, instead of standard shipbucket(or planebucket, however you call it look, ), i always credit everyone that i use ships or planes or tanks whatever, i will definitly do the new Bengalore Air force chart, as well few others for coast guard, ....

sry again for mistake,

I think the Air Force is a little logistic nightmare, having a handful of very similars ATRs/C-295/C-27... I would go for C-295/C-295MPA Persuader OR a mix of MPA ATRs and cargo C-27s...

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You are not being attacked, and if you claim to have been "on this forum since 2011" then you should be well aware of our rules and how they work... citing a "lack of time" as the reason you didn't go back and credit properly is also no excuse. Just go back and break the chart out into individual templates with the right crediting and there's no issue.

Crediting properly is very important here as we all invariably use other peoples' work from time to time. You are basically just saying "I was too lazy to go back and see who drew what" and that's a bit insulting to the people who worked hard to produce the work you simply recolored.

As for not being a "newbie", well you have 17 posts and have only started posting recently so please forgive us if we thought you'd be unaware of the rules. Also please note that (like everyone else has said) the crediting rules apply to everywhere on the internet, so a chart made for deviantart must follow the same rules as a chart made for this forum.

Thanks in advance for your understanding and cooperation.

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Ground Forces:

Ground Forces were probably the branch that gets the less money, as most is goinig to Navy and Air Force, nevertheless in recent years Bengalore ground forces are been activly modernized. Due rouge terrain of the Bengalore islands modern western MBTs that are heavier then 55 tons are not even considered. Despite fact that Bengalore have very advanced road system, most of islands are difficult for tanks and lighter military vehicles like APC's and IFV's are more suitable, never the less army does operates tanks.

Equipment:

MBT's and light tanks:
40x M60A3 Patton - This tanks were purchased in 1985s, over the course of years they were upgraded and modernized with modern equipment. By the 2010, 20 of the M60A3 were retired and stored, remaining 20 remains in full service, but also serves as training tanks.
35x T-72B3 - Due fact that T-72 was light with 41-46 tons and large amount of different upgrades, this tank was favorite by the Bengalore army. All 35 tanks were purchased between 1989-1991, replacing the 24 T-55s and 18 M48's. T-72 received several modifications during their service, most recent is in 2014 when all 35 tanks were sent to Russia to be upgraded to most modern variant of the T-72, the T-72B3. In 2018 Bengalore decide to purchase additional 15 of the T-72, but this time T-72B3M which is updated variant of the T-72B3. This tanks would probably replace remaining M60s in service. There was also alternative plan in which all of the M60's would be retired, replaced by the 20 or so Polish PL-01 tanks, however this is still unclear.

22x FV101 Scorpion - This light reconnaissance vehicle was often called light tank by the Bengalore army, small fast and agile it was perfect for Bengalorian terrain. 32 were purchased from UK in 1990, 22 that were in active service, rest for spare parts, although over the years additional 10 were buyed either for training or spare parts. All 22 vehicles are still in service.

IFV&APC:
112x M113 - at least 80 were removed from service, some stored some sold or scrapped, remaining 32 in service
75x BMP-1 (42 in active service, rest retired, either sold or scrapped) - Originally 105 were purchased by Soviet Union from 1979 to 1993. It was the backbone of the Bengalore IFV&APC units.
110x Patria AMV - replaced some of the BMP-1's and become main APC for the Bengalore army. Ordered and delivered between 2014 to 2017. At least 10 were Ambulances.
44x MCV (Maneuver Combat Vehicle) - Japanese wheeled tank destroyer, as Japan lifted its laws about sale of weaponary to other countries, Bengalore become first customer. Heavily interested in wheeled tank destroyers. It place order on 48 units (44 for active service, remaining for traning, plus spare parts), first ten were delivered in 2016, while rest were built in Bengalore between 2017-2019.
8x TPz Fuchs - several brought from Germany in 2009. This units were all NBC variants
122x LAPV Enok - standard armored vehicle of Bengalore Army
87x M1151 HMMWV - standard armored vehicle of Bengalore Army

Artillery:

36x M101 howitzer
50x M198 howitzer
44x 122mm howitzer D-30
175x M224 mortar

21x BM-21 Grad (some units in reserve)
12x WR-40 Langusta (additional 28 to enter service)

25x 2S3 Akatsiya (11 in service, rest either in reserve or scrapped)
36x M109A6 Paladin

Air Defenses:

36x ZU-23-2 - some upgraded
24x M163 VADS
18x 2K22 Tunguska
20x AN/TWQ-1 Avenger
200x FIM-92 Stinger

Small arms:
Pistols:

M1911 - officer weapon
Sig 226 - standard pistol
H&K USP - standard pistol
HS2000 - used by police, coast guard, special forces...

Submachine guns:

MP7 - special forces, navy, air force
P90 - special forces, army
UMP - standard army submachine gun
Scorpion EVO 3 A1 - special forces, army

Rifles:

G36C - standard army rifle (there is also K - longer barrel variants as well)
G38 - special forces
VHS 2 - special forces
M4 - army, special forces, navy,
AK-74 - some in use with army

Machine guns:

MG3 - standard machine gun
M60 - standard machine gun
RPD - standard machine gun

M2 Browning - standard heavy machine gun, used by army, navy and special forces

Sniper rifles:

Accuracy International AWM - special forces
M82 - anti material sniper rifle - army, navy,
SVD Dragunov - standard army sniper rifle
SAKO TRG - standard army sniper rifle

Shotguns:

Benelli M4 Super 90 - used by army, navy, special forces and police

Grenades & Rocket Launchers:

DM51 - fragmetation grenade
M26 - grenade (there is still some in service)
M84 - stun grenade

AG36 - 40mm grenade launcher
Mk19 - grenade launcher (used on ground force vehicles)

AT4 - standard anti-tank weapon
Matador - standard anti-tank weapon
Eurospike - small amount brought between 2015-2016


Engineering:

18x Buffel - armored recovery vehicle
10x Dachs - engineering vehicle
6x FV180 - combat engineering tractor
10x PTS-M - amphibious vehicle (to be retired)
4x Leguan - armored vehicle launching bridge (6x more to be delivered by the end of 2021)
10x M3 Amphibious rig - amphibious bridge layer

Logistics:

250x FMTV - standard army truck
85x Zetros - standard army truck
22x HEMTT - heavy tactical truck
24x M107 - heavy tractor

Aviation:

5x Eurocopter AS532 Cougar - transfered from Air Force
6x NHI NH90TTH - transport helicopter
12x Bell 402 multipurpose helicopter

Yes i join on December 2011, however i wasnt really active all this years, i was aware of the rules, and i always try to follow them, but mistakes happen, it was late i didnt finish it right, its done what is done, i wont change this chart because i plan to do new one, this time correct one, with all proper credits, il also delete this one from the site, and upload new stuff when its finished,

Specifications:

Class: Lacoste
Type Corvette
Year of introduction: 2014
Length: 82 meters
Crew: 55

Speed: 35 knots

Armament:
1x OTO Melara 76mm gun
1x Goalkeeper CIWS
12-Cell VLS for mix of 6x RIM-162 ESSM(SAM) and 6x RUM-139 VL-ASROC (for anti submarine warfare)
8x Harpoon launchers (for 8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles)
4x dual 533mm torpedo tubes (for Mark 54 MAKO lightweight torpedoes)
2x M2 Browning - manned machine guns

Aircraft: It can carry small to mid sized helicopter (if needed)

History:

Argentina start with modernization of its navy early during first decade of 21th century, however there were constant problems and delays due budget restrains. By the end of 2008, Argentina finally starts the 2012-2022 modernization plan. Plan which includes full upgrade of its existing surface ships like Almirante Brown destroyers, Espora and Drummond class corvettes. All four destroyers were to be bring on advanced level by the 2017, while corvettes were all to be modernized by the 2020. However some ships like Espora, Rosales and Spiro were chosen to be decommissioned. All three ships were to be upgraded and sold to Urugvay which agree to purchase all three of them. But new plan 2012-2022 plan also covers new ships. At the time Argentina was unable to purchase new destroyer class or increase the number of them, but smaller 80-90m ship was alternative option. Several nations and coorporations offer their ships but Argentina chose Bengalorian C10 class corvette. The C10 corvette which was considered offshot of the Ganges class was chosen. Ship despite featuring some equipment and weaponary of Ganges was not and export variant, it was designed by private company which work with Bengalorian ministry of defense. As cheap export ship for countries that have smaller budget.

However despite not been variant of Ganges, but brand new ship it have versability of the Ganges and like Ganges it was modular. C10 class corvette as mention was created as alternative export corvette to Ganges and its export variants, however another reason of this ship existance was failed bid for Egyptian corvettes. Ship was firstly designed for Egypt but after bid failed it was renamed to C10 and offered for sale. Argentina become first and only user at the moment. Argentina orders four ships initially but later increase the number of ships to eight. This ships were to completley replace Espora by the 2025.

C10 now called Lacoste class is designed for multipurpose duties from combat engagement, SAR duties, escorts... Due been small and compact but well armed, it was excellent for Argentina which struggles to improve and enlarge its navy. As mentioned remaining three Espora class corvettes were to be retired by 2025, Drummonds which were currently under refit were expected to remain in service by 2030, although they may be retired and sold before that.
With exception of first ship all others were build or to be built in Argentinian shipyards.

Ships in service:

P-47 ARA Almirante Lacoste - commissioned in 2014
P-48 ARA Almirante Irizar - commissioned in 2015
P-49 ARA Almirante Lombardo - commissioned in 2015
P-50 ARA Almirante Rojas - commissioned in 2019
P-51 ARA Almirante Teisaire - on sea trials, expected commission in 2021
P-52 ARA Almirante Massera - on sea trials, expected commission in 2021
P-53 ARA Almirante Manaya - under construction, expected commission in 2025
P-54 ARA Almirante Guzzetti - under construction, expected commission 2025

I do wonder, if you take the underwater hull and some small details from my SIGMA corvettes, should I be credited? I am somewhat in doubt here what would be correct......

as for the drawing, I do recognise that you have somewhat followed the basic shape of the SIGMA corvette. and this is excellent. not that the SIGMA is an perfect ship, but keeping real designs as baseline is the trait of the best. there are some things you have to keep an eye on though......
- parts. the Harpoon and goalkeeper have more accurate parts, which would make your drawing a bit better.
- deck levels. your torpedo tubes are very low in the water, and about half a deck lower then the boat bay, but not low enough that the deck the boat is stored on would actually go over the torpedo tube space. the boat bay then protrudes slightly into the deck level of the main deck. and then there are 2 levels on the bow, and 3 or 4 on top of the superstructure...... which might result in issues underneath those decks.
- intakes. while overall quite good, keep in mind that those go down into the hull, so your boat bay interferes with those in your funnel.

other then that, it might also be good to maybe refer to dutch shipbuilding as influence or even source for the ships hull design that would actually be quite common practice (buying research for things like that from other nations) as not every nation has its own research institutes for the development of hull shapes and propulsion setups on those hulls.

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