Shipbucket

Please no trash talk about people now we leave that to others

Yeah, keep it civil lads...

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Shipbucket mainsite, aka "The Archive"
New AU project "Aravala"

From the reports I read on Nimrod on various sites there were 700 safety issues.
As to our elderley escort problem there has been massive reductions to the number of escorts the Royal Navy has they have sacrificed capability to get the aircraft carriers.
However if the Government ordered type 26 in the next few months would the ship building capacity be there to run the CVF program & a frigate or destroyer program in the UK?

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I am soooo sick of the hypocrites of the Western Democracies, what are we stand for??
1) Human rights
2) Democracy
3) Rule of Law
Now the Gaddafi gangs (don't call them soldiers, there are just criminals) bomb and kill anyone at will, what do we do? nothing!
We needs some back bone! For me it is 4 June 1989 all over again.

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- RHKAAF / HKGFS - 皇家香港輔助空軍 / 政府飛行服務隊
- Gunbucket - LINK

天滅中共全黨死清光!

Well, you've said it shipmate; but when did what is morally right ever count? Though not the same scenario, this one is shaping up to be the equivalent of the Bosnia debacle, when the world watched as people got slaughtered, until it became unbearable not to intervene. And yes, I've read and listened to all the arguments for and against interevention, and we just have to accept that the Libyan people will not be helped directly to defend themselves against their dictator. And of course, we all still want the oil, so once the dust settles it will be 'business as usual'

Our captured crew are FREE!!!! Praise the spaghetti monster! I knew the (female)crews member, lovely girl!
I understand that morally count for nothing in Realpolitik, but the Western politicians make use a laughing stock. all the time talking about moral high ground, but when they really have to take action.........

BTW it is in our(European) interests to support the Libyan people, if Gaddafi do win. Italy and Malta will flooded with refugees, mainland Europe will have to take more refugees(greatest fear of Right-wing parties) just like it during the Yugoslavian conflicts.
I always have been supporter of Obama, but men! he lack the balls of Reagan!

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- RHKAAF / HKGFS - 皇家香港輔助空軍 / 政府飛行服務隊
- Gunbucket - LINK

天滅中共全黨死清光!

What's the alternative Darth?
An invasion by the "Western Democaracies" like what happened in Iraq, the imposition of a weak pro-Western government, the lingering senseless slaughter of our troops by those who see the West as occupiers for the next ten years? There have been a million deaths in Iraq since 2003. I don't call that progress and I don't think at the crunch the Libyans want to be under the dominance of the West or a future like that any more than they want the current regime to continue. There are dozens of other criminal governments killing their own people but we don't hear the democracies making too much noise about that either.
Democracy is not something to be imposed on everyone by the "enlightened West", we moan enough about the corrupt morons in the European Parliament and the governments running our own nations. We wouldn't really want them to triumph or blow their own trumpets anywhere else and nor would we trust their motives either.

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Hood.
People there (civilians) gained weapons. They hate the government, and they lost many.
What do you think when kaddafi is dead?
They continue.

The whole country is ruined, and will be like south africa with those rebels. It's there to at this moment.

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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier

Iraq was a mistake, I understand sometime you have no choice (better the devil you know). Our corrupted politicians and weak European Parliament undermined the principle of our "enlightened West". However I am still a believer of Democracies, like Churchill said:
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

At lease we should impose a No-fly zone, give the Libyan people a chance. Libya is just too close to Europe to lets them do what ever they want, if we do not help them. the next option is turn to radical Islam to fight Gaddafi.

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- RHKAAF / HKGFS - 皇家香港輔助空軍 / 政府飛行服務隊
- Gunbucket - LINK

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If we impose a no-fly zone we risk undermining the rebels rather shaky political platform.
I know this sounds brutal, but in order to get a stable Libya, the rebels needs to win this with as little western help as possible.

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