Shipbucket

Actually, since you guys gave me the hull-form, my mind literally went screaming alarms with the current armament. It's a bit of a quirk of mine thanks to my Aspurgers. If this thread had informative likes, I'll be spamming it right now. Looked into it and yeah alarm bells. Big ones. I'll get a revised one in soon. Perhaps with a battle cruiser chaser.

Anyway I've got a question, has anyone done anything similar to Warship Gunner's shipbuilding program? Just asking here. Springsharp is a bit limited but good enough for basic setups and design.

Here you go...

Jormungand, Imperial Germany Heavy Cruiser laid down 1942

Displacement:
14,924 t light; 16,139 t standard; 18,900 t normal; 21,109 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(704.15 ft / 672.57 ft) x 78.74 ft x (26.25 / 28.43 ft)
(214.63 m / 205.00 m) x 24.00 m x (8.00 / 8.67 m)

Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm 50.0 cal guns - 258.40lbs / 117.21kg shells, 400 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1942 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
1 raised mount aft - superfiring
16 - 4.13" / 105 mm 65.0 cal guns - 39.16lbs / 17.76kg shells, 600 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1942 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 double raised mounts
30 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 6,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1942 Model
8 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,745 lbs / 1,245 kg
Main Torpedoes
20 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 1.566 t each, 31.326 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 437.17 ft / 133.25 m 10.65 ft / 3.25 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 235.38 ft / 71.74 m 10.65 ft / 3.25 m
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 437.17 ft / 133.25 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 5.00" / 127 mm -
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 2.00" / 51 mm, Aft 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 110,284 shp / 82,272 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 14,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,970 tons

Complement:
805 - 1,047

Cost:
£7.846 million / $31.384 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 877 tons, 4.6 %
- Guns: 814 tons, 4.3 %
- Weapons: 63 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 4,354 tons, 23.0 %
- Belts: 1,980 tons, 10.5 %
- Armament: 336 tons, 1.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,978 tons, 10.5 %
- Conning Towers: 61 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 2,881 tons, 15.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,011 tons, 31.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,976 tons, 21.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 800 tons, 4.2 %
- Hull above water: 200 tons
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
- Above deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,966 lbs / 13,139 Kg = 118.7 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.476 / 0.491
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 28.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 28.54 ft / 8.70 m, 23.33 ft / 7.11 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.33 ft / 7.11 m, 18.14 ft / 5.53 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 18.14 ft / 5.53 m, 18.14 ft / 5.53 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 18.14 ft / 5.53 m, 18.14 ft / 5.53 m
- Average freeboard: 20.37 ft / 6.21 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158.9 %
Waterplane Area: 35,348 Square feet or 3,284 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 599 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Here is a destroyer I made...
Moscow, Imperial Russia Destroyer laid down 1938

Displacement:
3,484 t light; 3,697 t standard; 4,000 t normal; 4,243 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(525.62 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (12.30 / 12.74 ft)
(160.21 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m x (3.75 / 3.88 m)

Armament:
6 - 5.12" / 130 mm 40.0 cal guns - 64.25lbs / 29.14kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1938 Model
3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 3.35" / 85.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 20.52lbs / 9.31kg shells, 500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
2 raised mounts
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1.64lbs / 0.74kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.39lbs / 0.18kg shells, 8,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 446 lbs / 202 kg
Main Torpedoes
10 - 30.0" / 762 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 2.964 t each, 29.640 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
4th: 1.97" / 50 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 64,011 shp / 47,752 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 546 tons

Complement:
250 - 326

Cost:
£2.277 million / $9.107 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 173 tons, 4.3 %
- Guns: 113 tons, 2.8 %
- Weapons: 59 tons, 1.5 %
Armour: 74 tons, 1.8 %
- Armament: 74 tons, 1.8 %
Machinery: 1,750 tons, 43.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,388 tons, 34.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 516 tons, 12.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.5 %
- Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,022 lbs / 917 Kg = 30.2 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 13.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.86

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.352 / 0.361
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 80
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.41 ft / 7.44 m, 19.98 ft / 6.09 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.98 ft / 6.09 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Average freeboard: 17.43 ft / 5.31 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 152.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202.9 %
Waterplane Area: 19,304 Square feet or 1,793 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 56 lbs/sq ft or 274 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.59
- Longitudinal: 1.03
- Overall: 0.62
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Jormungand is much better, although I would try and fit in a torpedo bulkhead on a ship this large.

Moscow is interesting, 30-inch torpedoes? Somebody's gonna get hurt!
You have excess hull strength which you can get rid of (get hull strength down to 0.51), and if possible try and get seakeeping above 1 (speaking as someone who served on a small ship in the north Atlantic in February I thank you!).

Well, alright, I'll see what I can do.

Moscow, Imperial Russia Destroyer laid down 1938

Displacement:
3,176 t light; 3,413 t standard; 4,000 t normal; 4,470 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(558.43 ft / 524.93 ft) x 65.62 ft x (13.12 / 13.94 ft)
(170.21 m / 160.00 m) x 20.00 m x (4.00 / 4.25 m)

Armament:
6 - 5.12" / 130 mm 40.0 cal guns - 64.24lbs / 29.14kg shells, 400 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1938 Model
3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 3.35" / 85.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 20.53lbs / 9.31kg shells, 600 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
2 raised mounts
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1.63lbs / 0.74kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
16 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.40lbs / 0.18kg shells, 8,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 446 lbs / 202 kg
Main Torpedoes
10 - 30.0" / 762 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 2.964 t each, 29.640 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm - -
4th: 1.97" / 50 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 59,441 shp / 44,343 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,057 tons

Complement:
250 - 326

Cost:
£2.119 million / $8.478 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 173 tons, 4.3 %
- Guns: 113 tons, 2.8 %
- Weapons: 59 tons, 1.5 %
Armour: 86 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 86 tons, 2.1 %
Machinery: 1,628 tons, 40.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,190 tons, 29.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 824 tons, 20.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.5 %
- Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,061 lbs / 935 Kg = 30.7 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.51
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 11.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.310 / 0.326
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.41 ft / 7.44 m, 19.98 ft / 6.09 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 19.98 ft / 6.09 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m, 15.52 ft / 4.73 m
- Average freeboard: 17.43 ft / 5.31 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 210.5 %
Waterplane Area: 20,261 Square feet or 1,882 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 46 lbs/sq ft or 226 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.48
- Longitudinal: 0.83
- Overall: 0.51
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Also, an American destroyer incoming:
Johnston, United States Destroyer laid down 1942

Displacement:
3,197 t light; 3,455 t standard; 4,000 t normal; 4,436 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(623.35 ft / 557.74 ft) x 65.62 ft x (10.66 / 11.36 ft)
(190.00 m / 170.00 m) x 20.00 m x (3.25 / 3.46 m)

Armament:
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 64.99lbs / 29.48kg shells, 500 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1942 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 20.00lbs / 9.07kg shells, 600 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1942 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
12 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 70.0 cal guns - 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1942 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 376 lbs / 171 kg
Main Torpedoes
12 - 25.0" / 635 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 2.133 t each, 25.596 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
8 - 300.00 lbs / 136.08 kg Depth Charges + 50 reloads - 7.768 t total
in Depth charge throwers
2nd DC/AS Mortars
24 - 50.00 lbs / 22.68 kg ahead throwing AS Mortars + 400 reloads - 9.464 t total

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm -
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 60,207 shp / 44,915 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 980 tons

Complement:
250 - 326

Cost:
£2.271 million / $9.085 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 153 tons, 3.8 %
- Guns: 76 tons, 1.9 %
- Weapons: 77 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 93 tons, 2.3 %
- Armament: 93 tons, 2.3 %
Machinery: 1,573 tons, 39.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,278 tons, 31.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 803 tons, 20.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.5 %
- Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,374 lbs / 1,077 Kg = 38.0 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 12.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.359 / 0.374
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 76
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 50.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 35.10 ft / 10.70 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 25.59 ft / 7.80 m, 20.93 ft / 6.38 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 20.93 ft / 6.38 m, 16.27 ft / 4.96 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 16.27 ft / 4.96 m, 16.27 ft / 4.96 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.27 ft / 4.96 m, 16.27 ft / 4.96 m
- Average freeboard: 18.28 ft / 5.57 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 242.6 %
Waterplane Area: 21,952 Square feet or 2,039 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 221 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 0.70
- Overall: 0.51
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Moscow's much better.

Johnson's huge, but still deck space is going to be at a premium with all those guns and torpedoes. I would recommend dropping the twin 3-inch guns and making the Main Battery layout AB/XY instead of A/P/Q/Y.

Why the love of such large DDs ? (so early on)

Why the 2x 85mm AA guns on a ship ? bit of a waste without there own director just for 1 gun on each side ? (same for USN 3")

30" Torpedoes is quite big even the biggest LL was only 24" ?

2"/51mm protection on tertiary guns ?

IIRC the Type 7's carried two single 76mm AA so two single 85mm AA isn't out of line...

But the type 7s are old small DDs without DP main guns ?

Why have 2x 85mm (without good directors as they will weight to much to be worth it for 1 gun each side) when you have a full DP battery with 6 - 5.12" and presumably full director control ?