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Muscatatuck,

Welcome, your BC can be shrunk down to about 150-160 Meters thereby halving the amount of funnels an still ending up with a decent sea boat.

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Yet another update, inspired by several other artists to make a better drawn vessel, that and I realized I made a few slight errors.

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Welcome to ship bucket !

Personally I would allow BCs (they make just as much sense for a smaller navy than a BB and prestige wise they count the same pre war), but yours is just a bit big (ie its a 1914+ design R&R style very much not a 1908 ship)

As to the details just cut the size of ship and guns to say 20,000tish and 12" and you will have much more balanced 1908 ship.

BC's / Fast BB's, are certainly allowed, just not too big.

If you try something with 8-10x12" or 8x13.5"/14", that will fall in with the armaments of the ships already posted in this thread.

With your drawing, the bridge / mast structures look very good. As others have commented, a few too many funnels, 2-3 would be enough with a smaller armament. A good beginning. Don't get caught up in the 'gigantic' first drawing syndrome.

With picture hosts, I have been using dropbox.com for the last 12 months or so and I am very happy with how it works. There is a tutorial or two to help you get used to using it on Shipbucket.


Nighthunter - your ship is looking better all the time.

How how feasible is in route replenishment during this time frame?

You are talking about bags of coal moved by hand, ie not going to happen unless in a still anchorage and even then slowly. (unless I'm mistaken ?)

Pressurized bunker oil, could it be pumped into a pressurized cell, say 15 psi?

In the time frame I think you are going to be coal fired ? (1905-10) (Nevada/QEs the first all oil BBs was laid down in 1912)

From what I can find, oil fired boilers use simpler fire box of venturi like jets unlike coal which uses grates that must be cleaned and ash removed, also from what I understand forced draught can be easily implemented unlike coal as well, and the Tribal(F) class were all oil in 1905.


Edit: figured I'd just add this instead of new post,
MIN Muscatatuck, Muscatatuck BC laid down 1908

Displacement:
16,092 t light; 16,939 t standard; 22,055 t normal; 26,147 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(725.00 ft / 725.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (26.00 / 29.64 ft)
(220.98 m / 220.98 m) x 22.86 m x (7.92 / 9.03 m)

Armament:
6 - 13.50" / 343 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1,240.68lbs / 562.76kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
1 raised mount aft
1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward
12 - 4.00" / 102 mm 50.0 cal guns - 33.88lbs / 15.37kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
Weight of broadside 7,851 lbs / 3,561 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 6.50" / 165 mm 10.0" / 254 mm

- Box over machinery & magazines:
9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 89,381 shp / 66,679 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 9,208 tons

Complement:
904 - 1,176

Cost:
£1.911 million / $7.646 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,350 tons, 6.1 %
- Guns: 1,350 tons, 6.1 %
Armour: 1,524 tons, 6.9 %
- Armament: 1,185 tons, 5.4 %
- Armour Deck: 340 tons, 1.5 %
Machinery: 4,514 tons, 20.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,703 tons, 39.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,963 tons, 27.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,773 lbs / 12,144 Kg = 21.8 x 13.5 " / 343 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 15.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.546 / 0.568
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.65 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m
- Forward deck: 55.00 %, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m
- Aft deck: 10.00 %, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
- Average freeboard: 21.42 ft / 6.53 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 187.4 %
Waterplane Area: 39,356 Square feet or 3,656 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 156 lbs/sq ft or 761 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

I think it will fit better now, but want more advice before I start drawin again

Yes you could have oil fired Battleships earlier than 1912. So why didn't they? The answer is that oil fuel was not available in most ports in the world. In the seven years between 1905-12 the infrastructure required to support oil fired ships would need to be built and implemented around the world. Tankers to carry the oil for the fleet needed to be built. There was also a fear that oil may not be able to be supplied to the fleet in the amounts necessary during time of war. Coal was much more readily available 1905-12

Be careful when using 20/20 Hindsight, that you remember all the other changes necessary to implement a new innovation.