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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 25th, 2011, 7:33 pm
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A very good renderin, brown 'Teak' aside (not my cup of tea personally, but I believe in some artistic freedom).
I would suggest that if you hurry-up with it and post a more standarised drawing, more of Shipbucket style as it were, you can post it for this upcomming Upload session.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 25th, 2011, 10:54 pm
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I like the teak idea, although I agree that lightening the shade might make it less visually distracting.


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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 25th, 2011, 11:29 pm
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Hahah...lightening it can possibly be done, but you guys have misunderstood what it is. It's basically a thin metal-backed strip of teak which goes from the forwardmost scuppers to the quarter-deck break and then continues on that deck level. There are also similar strips on the superstructure. That's what it is. It's not at all a part of the deck proper, which btw was steel and painted in a darker shade of green.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 25th, 2011, 11:39 pm
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How about this? I've lightened the shade some and lowered the rim of the upper strips one pixel.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 26th, 2011, 11:03 am
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Good work but it needs further improvements.
1. The teak line is still too obvious, I can't see it that bright in colour pictures. It's fancy but I'm not sure whether it should be shown. Maybe a more realistic wood colour is needed.
2. The vents for the gas turbines are too pale. They should be black outline with dark grey inside for the louvres. I have done a much nicer looking Exocet launcher which I used on my Leander.
3. The sonar dome is wrong, a Type 184 can be found elsewhere
4. The ship itself if 16 pixels too long. It should be 768 pixels long.
5. There is a pixel error in the tail of the Exocet misisle, probably a cut 'n' paste error
6. The flag is pixellated like a shrunken JPEG. Should be soild colours.
7. The forecastle deck break hull cut-outs are the wrong shape. I've never seen a photo with such small cut outs. They should extend to the deck
8. Cutting and pasting the top of an MRS-3 onto the optronic director is a bit sloppy. Please amend so it looks like the real thing.

A few points but altogether not bad so far. I give it 7/10 so far.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 27th, 2011, 11:18 am
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Thanks Hood, when I get more time to spare, I certainly will take a serious look at your points. Point # 5 cannot be a cut'n'paste error since I actually redrew the MM38, since the original was just so horrid! But I'm certainly going to check it out! Point #8 I'm not sure I follw either, since I don't recall having done that, but, upon finding it (if I gather which device you're referring to!) completely missing, I had to draw it. Now, that can be the reason for its 'sloppiness' though, I'm not putting that past me! But would you mind just for clarification's sake to actually show me what you're referring to? It would be tremendeously helpful!. #3 I used the Jecobin drawings, and scale models (not Airfix! duuh!) to determine the size and shape of the dome. I'll re-check that though! The rest I have no issues with, but will make a fact check on those!

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 27th, 2011, 3:42 pm
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Actually on reflection the Exocet launchers aren't that bad. What I thought was outwarding facing tubes is the port side cointainers facing starboard!

#5 the tail looks a little odd, your missing two pixels (I know I'm picky but it shows so obviously)
#7 The Pakistani photos posted elsewhere show this layout at the forecastle break but I think all the ships in RN service during the 80s didn't have this layout, instead having the original larger gaps. I see you've included a strenthening strake so it may well have been part of the mods done after the Falklands when the hulls cracked.
# 8 The visual director has a flatter top, yes it has a sighting hood but this looks identical to the MRS-3 top grafted onto a box. It is mich smaller and on many photos you can't really notice it.

I'd like to add a #9, the fire-control radars should be RTN-10X Orion. Please add the correct radars, you can probably find them on the radar sheet.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 27th, 2011, 4:45 pm
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Nice drawing bezobrazov. This class of ships is long overdue for updating.
Some points as regards the drawing as per attached drawing

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Also there are some shading issues in the underwater hull, particulary under the stabilizing fin.

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 28th, 2011, 5:22 am
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Novice, I've re-checked the Jecobin plans and the sonar, indeed, was drawn too shallow and small. I give you right on that one. However, the hull plating over the quarter deck openings will remain, since I've depicted the Active in particular, and on her, I know that the hull openings were partially plated over. The comment beneath the second stabilizing fin I don't quite understand, so I shall let that alone. The missing pixel thing on the Exocet missile may actually be a result from the missile sheet! I'm always careful to try and cut and copy a relatively broad border around the image, so as not to inadvertently lose pixels.

Hood: as always your well-weighted advice is valuable. I will look into your Exocet launcher and see if it may be fitting. But I thank you for your compliment about my attempt at depicting a correct one for this class. I will, of course take a closer look at your points of contention. When it comes to the radars, I did use a load of photos of the Active to render my version of the F/C directors, but, again, I will look into the matter very earnestly!

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Post subject: Re: Type 21 Per Public Request:Posted: February 28th, 2011, 3:19 pm
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If you look at your drawing you'll see that the stabilizing fin abaft the stabilizer is missing, whereas in my modified drawing I added it so you'll know exactly what I mean.
As for the shell-plating of the hull I saw a photo which suggests you're right, so accept my appologies

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