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heuhen
Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 25th, 2011, 9:51 pm
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I'm sure the others will find things to comment on but that is quite an interesting ship. What's with the planar array aft of the bridge?
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Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 25th, 2011, 10:11 pm
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heuhen wrote:
Blackbuck wrote:
I'm sure the others will find things to comment on but that is quite an interesting ship. What's with the planar array aft of the bridge?
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hmm, I missed that one... that one doesn't belongs on this ship :D
you use the SMART-S for exactly the role the VSR does.

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Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 25th, 2011, 10:17 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
heuhen wrote:
Blackbuck wrote:
I'm sure the others will find things to comment on but that is quite an interesting ship. What's with the planar array aft of the bridge?
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hmm, I missed that one... that one doesn't belongs on this ship :D
you use the SMART-S for exactly the role the VSR does.
came to think the same thing when he asked me!


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Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 25th, 2011, 10:22 pm
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very good, that means you are learning :D
btw, why not shorten your design a bit (let's say one helicopter) and take 2 lcvp's away, then you get an very good light carrier.... I think it is slightly on the large side, but that is just my opinion

btw... you seem to have a similar drawing style as me, so maybe you have ideas from my latest designs for wingedheroes:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35&start=120
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Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 26th, 2011, 1:25 am
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very good, that means you are learning :D
btw, why not shorten your design a bit (let's say one helicopter) and take 2 lcvp's away, then you get an very good light carrier.... I think it is slightly on the large side, but that is just my opinion

btw... you seem to have a similar drawing style as me, so maybe you have ideas from my latest designs for wingedheroes:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35&start=120
;) :P
the slightly shorter version can I call for Peter Wessel class.
And thereby has a good capacity in the fleet by one vessel at: 236 meters and the other one at 150/170 meter!

Well ... I jumped on the trend that began with Norway's Skjold class
I have a philosophy that says that: Should one make it simple, make clean lines!


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Post subject: Re: Northern Kingdom (Norway)Posted: February 27th, 2011, 12:11 am
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General von Krogh has bean updatet!


the oldest ship in the Kingdom of Norway, but will be replaced with a new vessel. Admiral Johan Ulstrup will then be laid up for five years before it will be used as target.

Admiral Johan Ulstrup
Admiral Johan Ulstrup class
Helicopter carrier, backup ship

Length: 165,5 meter
Beam: Max: 36 meter, min.: 30 meter
Draft: 7,6 meter

Armarment: after upgrade in the 90's
2*Oto Melara 76mm
2*Bofors single 40mm guns
Sea sparrow
12,7 mm HMG

She is one of the two oldest surviving vessels from "The Black Fleet" that is still in use!

She was the flag ship in "The Black Fleet" which was under the command of Fleet Admiral Olaf S. Rambekk. The reason why the fleet is called "The Black Fleet" was that all the vessels in the fleet were colored with a black hull. "The Black Fleet" was created when the King of the Kingdom of Norway decided that it would send a fleet of their ships on a world cruise for show of ... sea power. but under what later became known for "The incident of South Atlantic" ... all ships in "The Black Fleet" called back!

The fleet consisted of:
"Admiral John Ulstrup" carrier
The old "Nordland aircraft carrier
5 * Destroyer
7 * Frigates
4 * cruiser
8 * auxiliary ship

There were also 3 * battleships of the Arctic-class, it became also the last time they were used.

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What kind of ships shall the other ship be?


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Post subject: Re: Design forum for "AU" Northern KingdomPosted: February 27th, 2011, 2:09 am
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Uhm, why is there a ski-jump?

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Post subject: Re: Design forum for "AU" Northern KingdomPosted: February 27th, 2011, 2:17 am
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It's a very old ship and was before an aircraft carrier for light aircraft, but is now used as a spare helicopter carriers.

But I can always remove it, unless someone has some opinion about it!


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Post subject: Re: Design forum for "AU" Northern KingdomPosted: February 27th, 2011, 10:33 am
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The Admiral John Ulstrup just feel too much like a rushed kitbash job. Your selling your talents short here.
The ski jump is too small, the modern radar can't just be plonked on top of a 1930s spotting platform, the superstrucutre is far too basic and seems unchanged from its original standard, the funnels are a weird mix of old and new, will a Sea Sparrow really fit into an old 1940s 40mm gun tub? The 76mm are too far forward, the flare of the bows makes that location impossible unless your hand loading the damn things as the hoists won't fit and there is no space for a magazine. Why the old pole mast? One pixel funnel pipes are wrong under the SB style rules too, they should be three-pixel wide.
In short there are too many flaws to take this seriously. I'm sure you can draw a much better ship than this, there are ways to make a modernised old ship look plausible.

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Post subject: Re: Design forum for "AU" Northern KingdomPosted: February 27th, 2011, 11:06 am
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Hood wrote:
The Admiral John Ulstrup just feel too much like a rushed kitbash job. Your selling your talents short here.
The ski jump is too small, the modern radar can't just be plonked on top of a 1930s spotting platform, the superstrucutre is far too basic and seems unchanged from its original standard, the funnels are a weird mix of old and new, will a Sea Sparrow really fit into an old 1940s 40mm gun tub? The 76mm are too far forward, the flare of the bows makes that location impossible unless your hand loading the damn things as the hoists won't fit and there is no space for a magazine. Why the old pole mast? One pixel funnel pipes are wrong under the SB style rules too, they should be three-pixel wide.
In short there are too many flaws to take this seriously. I'm sure you can draw a much better ship than this, there are ways to make a modernised old ship look plausible.
agree. if the ship should have existed as long as it did, then it should at some time have had a major upgrade. should also make it a little bigger. I should have spent two days instead of 2-3 hours on it!

question is how will it look like with a big update package! 8-)


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