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- Those directors on the part drawing are director that can be used, that doesn't mean they can be used from day 1 the gun was maid. The 57 mm gun have an simple director but also have the old school human to control the turret in those big glass doom on top of the turret. the single 57mm have 1 operator in that position, the twin have two...

- I made the twin slightly bigger then the single, the single 57 mm is based of an similar Bofors 57mm turret and should have the same size. But if you think it need to be a couple pixler longer (a bigger ass, then I can fix that rather fast)

- New technology will always have problem in the start, look at the automatic gear in an car and trucks, it's just these last years those automatic gear have been really good!

during WW2, 57mm directors were often on the masts, and radar directors were developed. local control was and is always backup. look at what was for example at the dutch cruisers.
then maybe the twin is too small too. the smallest version of an bofors style twin 57mm are the turrets of the french, for example on the jean bart class. note that the later Mk 1 is a lot smaller due to having no belowdeck reloader, so it is not suitable for bigger ships as such.

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It's it wrong of me to use this 57 mm as basis on my 57 mm (my single 57 mm have the same size as the twin version mounted on Halland class) , since the Kruz class is build 1953. since the 57 mm/60 model 1950 was mounted on Halland class (1955). Or I am missing something?

But of course an more automated system need more space, so I will compensate for that on the next update.

the M1950 is fine, but note that this system is also very wide (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/632 ... arrier.png) and is square, having a lot of internal volume, in contrary to yours.

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Very soon I am going on a week holiday to Amsterdam, but before I go, I just post this quick, so you boys can come with suggestions.

It's a class of around 22 cruisers build for Haram. they are from 183 to 186/7 meter long. These cruisers will be followed with an other class of 180 meters cruiser that will fit the bill for an 1960'ish Navy better than these cruisers.

The first one is as how the two first vessel looked like when they was build. But the advancement in weapon technology was in high gear and the Admiralty saw that they have to redesign there cruisers or start a totally new design that could take years in development.



The admiralty decided it was best to re-design those cruisers that was ordered, to save time. Non of these cruiser was perfect after there redesign. But they Navy had no choice, they needed cruisers in there fleet, and they needed it fast!

The redesign included:
- a new stern.
- a new type of main guns and secondary turret.
- an redesign of the machinery. (It's the same machinery, but build and mounted different)
- new bridge.
- Better radars.



The final few cruisers was redesigned and build with missiles and some of the existing cruisers was re-build to the same standard.



Since I am using mostly US-radar, sometime British. Just name a radar or other things that I can use and where, or just give me ideas, or just say, that doesn't work, try this...

The Kruz class Heavy cruisers, will be worked on a little bit, and some never were version of them will be drawn to.


Okay fire away.

Looks impressive.

Let do something more modern, while I am waiting for my brain to start working again!!!

Haram have several fleets:

Carrier fleets.
blue water fleets (carrier fleets)
Coastal fleetss
Brown water fleets (coastal fleets)

The Scorpion class is an class of submarines that mainly work with the Coastal fleets, but can do blue water operation.

Realy nice ships Heuhen

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Note: the name on those submarines, are in fact name on Scorpions.


I am now working on it's predecessor, the Wale class. (If anyone have good name suggestion for these ship in the class...)

Species of whale? or sharks?