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KimWerner
Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: December 18th, 2014, 11:26 pm
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I can only agree in the other mates praises :D

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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: December 19th, 2014, 6:35 pm
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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 17th, 2015, 10:29 pm
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While searching for some more information on the 'E's I ran across this video done for Silent Hunter. Interesting if nothing else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mGMHXEiRG8


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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 18th, 2015, 12:13 pm
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Krakatoa wrote:
This is HMS Emerald post 1943 refit.[ img ]As always the help I get is greatly appreciated, and all the mistakes are mine.
Hmmm:
- by 1943, very strange to see no single 20mm oerlikons
- no camo by 1943 ?
You are sure about the exact AA complement by 1943 ? :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 18th, 2015, 12:44 pm
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Emerald refitted Portsmouth Aug 1942 - 6 April 1943. 1 6in, two single pompom and 4 quad 0.5in removed; added 2x4 2pdr and 6x2 20mm.
(Photo in Friedman 14 March 1943 during refit in camo.)
Rosyth 31 March - 5 April 1944 6x1 20mm fitted, catapult removed [Raven and Roberts 'British Cruisers']
There is a full page aerial photo effectively giving a plan view May 1944 in R&R p340 if anyone wants to have a go at it with a magnifying glass.

Lenton 'British and Empire Warships' has photo with caption "in 1944 side plating extended aft, eight (2x2/4x1 20mm) tripod masts, aft TT removed, full radar fit."

EDIT: Looking at the photos, some seem to show a 6in abaft the third funnel, others not?


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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 18th, 2015, 3:26 pm
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Actually if you look carefully you'll see the twin 20mm are there (former pom-pom platform, beside the mainmast and below the catapult).

Nigel and I were trying to make sense of the refits and the status of the 6in guns. It seems they were removed temporarily. I suspect a couple of published photos have been mis-captioned at some point and are 1943 rather than 1944.

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Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 19th, 2015, 9:44 am
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I've looked again at the photos I have of Emerald post 1943, scanning and enlarging the ones I doubted.
In the aerial view in Raven & Roberts, a 6in abaft the third funnel would be masked by the funnel and the catapult.
The view in Colombo 1944 is not clear, but there is a better reproduction of it in Whitley's Cruisers of WWII, where I am pretty sure there is a gun behind the third funnel. Whitley repeats R&R's description of the re-gunning in 1942/43, except that he says "she landed the after 6in" which is clearly not the case.
Friedman p206 has a line drawing of the midships profile of Emerald "from Portsmouth plans dated 24th March 1943" showing the refit changes.
It does not have a 6in gun abaft the third funnel, but then it doesn't show B or X guns either, though it might.
I have convinced myself that Emerald retained seven 6in, and R&R (and Whitley) are in error. They rarely make mistakes, but are not infallible. On p409 R&R credit Diomede with a twin mounting and four singles. That looks as though they were working from a photo or a diagram. If they relied on the same drawing of Emerald as in Friedman, the mistake can be understood. It is also possible that there is a description somewhere of the intention to remove a 6in, which was not actually carried out. A typical danger with Ship's Covers, though IIRC the E's no longer have a full Cover.


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Hood
Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class CruisersPosted: January 20th, 2015, 1:23 pm
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I would back smurf's judgement on this. I had assumed much the same; either the photos were wrongly captioned or someone got the wrong end of the stick from the records.

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