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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 30th, 2014, 10:38 pm
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what bloody attitude?
You know exactly what attitude. The same attitude that drowe away two promising members this year. I've given you, ace and timmy lot of slack over these months, and tried to course down your behavior to the rigth way many occasions, but it seems to be in vain. In this thread I told the state of the partsheets are, and I get smug comments of how its becouse of my "greatness" you guys don't have partsheets and whatnot.
Call it what you want, but I've seen any postive toned comment from you towards me since long time.

Now as for the partsheets, the fact simply is, I don't need them myself. And I don't like making partsheets, im not good at making partsheets. I suck making mathematically accurate sheets with all things neatly in their rigth places. Thats just not me. Nothing that serious, nothing to do with my ego, not done to piss anyone off.
I've stated many times in the past that I don't mind other people do such sheets, infact I've tried to engourage people to do them. There are lots of people here who practically shines in making neat part sheets. No one has bothered.
Now, before going to say "my gross lack of input" - (have I've not drawn all those parts? is that not input?), I would like to remind you you cant just expect me to do everything for you, all by myself. If the western sheets have been completed by myriads of members, but suddenly the soviet side is supposed to be all me, and handed, served neatly to everyone who can demand them from me? Some of us are actually trying to use our precious little time for drawing to complete real life ships.
aha! now we are getting somewhere. Gollevainen, I think you have tons of parts lying around, just not categorised and put on a neat template? what if we use this thread as an excuse to start up an new parts sheet? we can use the templates I have lying around for the dutch parts, and if you can dump the tons of parts into an dropbox folder or something like that, it should be possible, with your advice and a set of bucketeers (I volunteer on the spot, although I will not be able to do it alone) , to set up an parts sheet that is both up to date and usable. solves all the problems in this thread, I think?

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Gollevainen
Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 30th, 2014, 10:47 pm
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Well if you don't need them yourself have you not considered that other people might actually want to learn about Russian/Soviet systems themselves rather than having to keep asking questions? I for one would be perfectly happy to look at how the stranger launchers work (the cylindrical ones come to mind) but without having to dig through the internet to find grainy illustrations here and there.
i am artist, not a teacher. I simply don't have that artistic drive to maintain some part sheets. thats not how I work. And beside, the internet is full of information, and the books have even more. Its not even hard for a someone completely illiterate of russian to get decent grap of things in good dedication
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If you bundled up all what you have (maybe label the images?) I'm, sure people would be more than happy to make up some part sheets especially if the drawings already exist (which they do). Half the parts in the below-decks thread aren't in any sort of ordered part sheets, they're mainly just scraps that we've put together.
The proplem is, that I don't have stuff bundled in to single place, but scattered around myriads of old sheest stuffed to their full, in my work sheet drawings, my AU sheets and so on... I can vaguetly keep things in track for my own use and more than once i've redrawn stuff simply becouse I couldn't find the needed part! ...and simply to label them would be mammuth task of its own, since each weaponsystem comes with its own eletronics, and most eletronic devices forms families that forms a set to work as single system... just doing that post-war artillery sheet took 2 months for me to finally get it done, and it still contains errors. This labeling and telling people which one is which, and what is needed to with what usually gets to passed with few sentences in these replies, but its hours and hours of work by its own. Not just a little "just" among the procedure.

And to top that, my habbit when Im doing my retouching rounds, is to drawn everything again according to my latest talent. that means redoing the parts as well. Even if would for some how manage to complete those sheets, in short time they would once again be obsolete compared to my latest work.

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 30th, 2014, 10:57 pm
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That's understandable enough but to actually have a set to start with would go a long way towards nullifying the void that currently exists

As l see it for the sake of people's sanity unless there was an urgent need (like if it was out of scale or the wrong shape or something similar) could that not either A: Wait until an arbitrary time to be updated en-mass? (I.E. you release a sheet, update the bits privately then release the new stable sheet at a later date)? or B: Add a disclaimer citing something along the lines of "all parts deemed to be accurate at time of creation but are subject to change without notice if deemed otherwise".
Whatever compromised eventually arises is no different than with the RN sheets, there have been updated parts for it floating around for some time before the sheet proper was updated due to the same commitments but from other members.

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 30th, 2014, 11:40 pm
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well once the sheets would be done, it would be relatively simple to update them, even for slacks like me... :D
the issue however is to make those sheets.

If beeing completely honest, I've got couple of big irons on fire at the moment, and both projects are pre 1945 ones, so for many months now and more to follow I've set all the missile age stuff out from my mind, and simply to return to them now is really difficould thing for me to do...it would mean I have to use my little time for the SB to comply others statisfaction instead fullfilling my own desires...Now, at some point I will return to redoing the Soviet Missile Cruisers, and thats a project that takes my to the heart of all the radars and missiles and ecms... Then competing such sheets wouldn't be that hard task to do, since i would be actually drawing those parts... but I cannot promise any date for such thing...it could be during next year or one after that.

What I can do, is to look trough my stash tommorow and see what sort of mess it really is, and perhaps clutch them all together. Some will have labels, some doesen't, but if someone wants to continue from that, its better than trying to pick them from the drawings.

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 12:44 am
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I think that is probably the best way to go about things for now. Who knows, you might keep ace busy for a few months :P

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 10:44 am
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allrigth, as promised here is stuff I was able to collect:
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Now, the stuff is mostly labeled, which is good. It still misses some key equipment, Fort, Granit and Bazalt mainly, the moskit and P-35 kits are unlabled, and the KT-1134 launcher for P-35 missile is yet undrawn. The missing parts are those I have not redrawn since the ancient times, mostly becouse Ive not used them on my AU projects. Like I mentioned in my last post, at somepoint I will continue my missile cruiser redo, and then I would naturally revival the Bazalt and Fort systems.

I will look next unto the radars/ECMs.

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 10:52 am
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Thanks,

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 11:04 am
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And here is radar set, again there were labels.

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It should be quite complete, missing mostly some of the older stuff (immediately post-WWII and lend-lease stuff), and couple of experimental systems, the Mars-Passat, and the Poliment which is there on the missile sheet

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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 11:29 am
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Thanks a lot! I've been waiting for the updated Russian parts for a quite long time!


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Post subject: Re: Purple ChallengePosted: December 31st, 2014, 2:32 pm
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That's great stuff. It doesn't have to be a fancy sheet, as long as it has labels of some sort its very useful.
Good clean copies are much better than cutting off a drawing.

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