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I'm afraid that for a while there's only Golevainen's Soviet parts sheet ( http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 85#p118785 ) plus my update of launchers for P-15 missiles ( http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 943#p79943 - technically speaking there's Golly's slightly "later" version several posts below, but it doesn't seem to be much used ) - most up-to-date version of missiles themselves (as well of Strela-2 launcher) - unofficialy but "by default" is probably in my thread of small Soviet coastal combatants.

P.S. (for Gollevainen) - the parts sheet still has me credited for Wróbel 23mm AA although it was done by WhyMe.

Well I haven't actually done a proper missile/radar partsheet, all my stuff are in here and there in my own very wierd archives aside back a while ago for the AU Soviet Union thing but thats mostly for the never-where and self-invented stuff which YOU SHOULD NOT use becouse of that very reason. However the ECM systems in that sheet are actually for the most part (from Zaliv upwards) the OTL systems so if you know what you are doing, you can use those.

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Gloriously outdated parts it is then! (Or we just don't bother shipping SAMs on any of the entries).

It's pitiful when you see how much effort has been put into getting western systems illustrated to the utmost degree to see how lacking we are in Soviet/Russian equivalents.

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well, I think we can redraw stuff then when we think it is lacking, I suppose? as we cannot reach into what gollevainen has done anyways?
anyways, I hereby proclaim (if I have a voice in the judging matters ) that there is a bonus point (just one, to avoid cheating) if your ship drawing is acompanied by parts not yet shown on the part sheets.

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You can draw whatever you want offcourse, but if you imply that I will start completing such charts just to appease your petproject, then I suggest you and your little buddy tone down that attitude a knot or a million.


Anyways, those who have the courtesy to ask kindly I can help on by request. I won't be participating in this event at any level, and I wont design your stuff to you, but if you know what you are doing and what you need, i can try to dig it out if I've drawn them.

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as far as I know, we did not imply that. I said it only so the lack of parts will not be a problem for this challenge...... and the fact that I set it up exactly to close the gap between the people drawing only soviet or on the other hand drawing only western ships.......
in that respect, I am sorry to hear you are not joining in golly, I would love to see what you would come up with

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Well, honestly, before the whining started, I was toying with the idea of participating as judge or atleast commentary role, but then once again i was showed how fast all the fun can be slaughtered in these forums.

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Right lets get this out in the open before the thread turns into a mud-slinging match.

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Firstly, get over yourself. Nobody is whining about anything. Secondly, what bloody attitude? Don't be so damned conceited and egotistic. You might well have that pretty blue user-title but it doesn't give you permission to act like a prepubescent teenager.

What I (and probably ace) are trying to say is as follows.

• I myself am merely pointing out that largely that due to your gross lack of input there is a substantial gap in represented Russian and Soviet systems over a broad time period be they in your hated 'below-deck' format or otherwise.
• Seeing as you seemed to make it your soul purview to draw the majority of Russian and Soviet ships you surely think nobody has a use for parts sheets that encompass the USSR and Russia no?
• Why could you not have just compiled over the years an actual sheet to provide people with parts so they can do their own drawings instead of waiting for you to make your way to a certain ship they might want or whatever? Pride? Ignorance? Both?! I don't know or particularly care but the state of affairs we currently reside in are not at all optimal and need resolving.
• Without having to painstakingly lift various parts from existing drawings where details may well get lost due to railings or some such obstacle (which then run the risk of perpetuated onto other drawings ergo perpetuating the inadequacies of a kit-bashed part) there's not really much point in even bothering with non-western equipment.
• Oh and frankly it has nothing to do with courtesy or 'appeasing pet projects' whatsoever, if you've drawn accurate parts for your myriad of drawings why on earth would you not distribute them to the rest of the community for us to benefit from as a whole other than some sort of sadistic plan to get people to have to come and grovel to you for assistance? The notion truly does baffle me.

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I'm sure now that I've spoken out against the great leader that I'll be made to disappear and end up somewhere in Samiland with only a reindeer for company but hey ho, such is the price for speaking out against autocracy.

~Mark.

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You know exactly what attitude. The same attitude that drowe away two promising members this year. I've given you, ace and timmy lot of slack over these months, and tried to course down your behavior to the rigth way many occasions, but it seems to be in vain. In this thread I told the state of the partsheets are, and I get smug comments of how its becouse of my "greatness" you guys don't have partsheets and whatnot.
Call it what you want, but I've seen any postive toned comment from you towards me since long time.

Now as for the partsheets, the fact simply is, I don't need them myself. And I don't like making partsheets, im not good at making partsheets. I suck making mathematically accurate sheets with all things neatly in their rigth places. Thats just not me. Nothing that serious, nothing to do with my ego, not done to piss anyone off.
I've stated many times in the past that I don't mind other people do such sheets, infact I've tried to engourage people to do them. There are lots of people here who practically shines in making neat part sheets. No one has bothered.
Now, before going to say "my gross lack of input" - (have I've not drawn all those parts? is that not input?), I would like to remind you you cant just expect me to do everything for you, all by myself. If the western sheets have been completed by myriads of members, but suddenly the soviet side is supposed to be all me, and handed, served neatly to everyone who can demand them from me? Some of us are actually trying to use our precious little time for drawing to complete real life ships.

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I've never said anything about you other than when you do daft things so don't pull me into it. (This FYI is one of those times).

Well if you don't need them yourself have you not considered that other people might actually want to learn about Russian/Soviet systems themselves rather than having to keep asking questions? I for one would be perfectly happy to look at how the stranger launchers work (the cylindrical ones come to mind) but without having to dig through the internet to find grainy illustrations here and there.

If you bundled up all what you have (maybe label the images?) I'm, sure people would be more than happy to make up some part sheets especially if the drawings already exist (which they do). Half the parts in the below-decks thread aren't in any sort of ordered part sheets, they're mainly just scraps that we've put together.

Well, it is a lack of input in as much as you're hoarding them! We want those delicious parts, we've wanted them for a long time and we've still yet to see them in their naked form other than the recently (relatively speaking) gun sheet.

It's not supposed to be all you but for as long back as I can recall being a member the majority of USSR stuff has been done or was going to be done by you, only relatively recently has anyone started to make inroads such as Eswube etc.

~Mark.

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