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Oh before I post the Cold War and post ships, I want to post all the World War 2 Supporting vessels

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Dokuritsu-Sei type cargo/transport ship
This transport ship class was a large cargo ship that developed in 1942 in order to keep the Rossiyan armed forces supplied while they are overseas. This was in many respect Rossiya's version of the Liberty ship, only the Dokuritsu-Sei class was larger, more armed and faster. It was armed with two twin 5 inch DP gun turrets, four 90 mm anti-air guns, twenty 20 mm anti-air guns, and eight 15 mm cannons. 2700 of these ships were built and 311 ships were lost during the war. After the war, they continued to serve until the 1980s.

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Does that mean you built 5000+ AA directors ?

Happy Christmas, JSB

More or less. This nation seems to have unlimited resources, the largest shipyards, etc. It is THE Beast of Rossiya, that's why.

Yes, because Rossiya had developed a production line for the various directors so to reduce the time lost during construction
Well I did say Rossiya was VERY rich in resources and had some of the largest dockyards in the world, with the biggest in Protektorat.

Also, Merry Christmas from the jungles of Malaysia

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Hi Oberst,

Merry Christmas, and, as ever, a question - with so many heavily armed ships (and it is very heavily armed, for the role. The real liberty ship had a single 4" mount aft plus random AA, as I understand it) why don't you just use these for fire support of ground forces? They're an awful lot more expendable than a battleship and given the quantities you've got you could probably set two different groups aside - one to pound whatever beach you're after and another to keep the kamikaze off you - bear in mind that just five of these ships will have the same number of 5" mounts as an Iowa (probably with better arcs, overall) but will also have ten directors as opposed to Iowa's four, which, despite the lack of armour, is going to make that group a formidable opponent. Given the quantities of stuff you're going to be moving you could just keep the things around after they've dropped whatever cargo they were carrying to provide that sort of protection.

Do you not think that this leaves your navy a little ... unbalanced?

Regards,
Adam

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Hey Adam,
I understand that the Dokuritsu-Sei class transport ships are heavily armed but the armaments' main purpose is to shoot aircraft down not to support ground forces. In the Rossiyan Navy's doctrine, the transport ships' role is to supply the fighting forces but not to be a fighting ship unless the situation is critical or there is sudden change in the battle. That is why Rossiyan transport ships were more often used as anti-air platforms to protect other cargo ships that were unloading

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Hi Oberst,

Just to clarify, you have additional cargo ships over and above the 2,700 of these ... well, "auxiliary cruiser" wouldn't go amiss as a term for them, would it? I'm unsure, given the vast resources you can devote to escort duty - you've got 200+ of the Zmeya-class, don't forget, before we even get to the DEs that I assume you've got knocking around somewhere - who would even survive long enough to threaten the transports in the first place.

I get that you want to create an impressive Navy, that's cool. But as you detail your fleet I'm wondering what eruption of hubris could lead any nation to thinking that an attack on Rossiya could be anything other than a complex way to become a part of the Rossiyan Empire (even if such a thing never exists, I'd imagine that's how your targets are going to be thinking). From the force levels you have detailed, you could take on the USN and still fight the IJN with the balance of your Navy, and yet we have the IJN picking a fight with the both of you - and the IJN only went for the Americans on the understanding that they could wipe out the entirety of an American fleet and consolidate their gains before the USN could respond (even if they'd completely succeeded they'd have probably been wrong just on American production numbers, but that's a different debate).

In this AU, though, when the IJN should be running rampant all over South-East Asia they've instead got to be planning for assaulting Svyatoslavovich Naval Air Base - just because of the amount of hostile forces involved this would take priority over Burma, DEI, New Guinea, Solomons, Singapore, Bali, Timor, Java and Sumatra, which the Japanese had polished off by March 1942 in real life. No sensible planner would attempt all of this at once as well as another assault on a heavily defended position such as Svyatoslavovich Naval Air Base, surely?

I guess the wider point that I'm trying to make is that a lot of IJN WWII strategy was based on the knowledge that they would have fewer ships, fewer planes than their most likely adversary, so they made significant changes to their doctrine to stack win-loss ratios in their favour (for instance, torpedo-heavy destroyers launching torpedoes that outranged the torpedoes they'd be facing). From the torpedo analysis I've seen on Navweaps they didn't end up with the win-loss ratios that they were after, but I can follow the reasoning behind the design. OK, now we've thrown another USA-and-a-half at them in addition to the USA they were already facing. Anybody in the Japanese staff who can count will know their projected win-loss ratios (that turned out to be optimistic!) and recognise that they don't have a hope - their destroyers literally do not carry enough torpedoes, for one thing - of fighting it out against these people. The sheer fact of Rossiya's existence would prevent any rational Japan from engaging in WWII for years, perhaps enough that Germany stands and falls by itself before Japan gets into the act.

The thing is, the drawings are good (hey, they're better than mine, so I'm definitely not going to cast stones!) but you are drawing such a grand arc through history that the story behind it disconnects from everything almost the instant it starts. You could literally cut the navy in half, still have the same drawings and it'd be a better story.

Regards,
Adam

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Alright, I will comply, I will cut the navy in half in terms of the battlecruisers, cruisers (both heavy and light), and the older battleships but the rest will retain their numbers

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Rossiya's World War 2 Navy EDITED (Reduced number of ships)

• Battleships
  
  • Tarina class
    1. Type: Late 1920s Battleship
       Namesake: Field Marshal Hans Tarina
       Construction Period:1928 (3 ships) 1936-1938 (7 ships)
       Main Armament: 12x16 inch guns (1928)
       Secondary Armament: 8x5 inch guns, 6x3 inch HA guns (1928) 8x5 inch guns, 6x3 inch HA guns, 96x25 mm anti-air cannons (1941) 12x5 inch guns, 6x3 inch guns, 96x25mm cannons
       Inspired by: Nagato class battleship and Colorado class battleship
       Number Built: 5 (First Batch: RFS Tarina, RFS Hartmann, RFS Baltland; Second Batch: RFS Vilstermann, RFS Malatov)
       Current Status: 3 Preserved as Museum ships, 5 in Rossiyan Reserve Fleet, 2 in Rossiyan National Naval Guard Reserves
    Morskoye class
    1. Type: Late 1940s Battleship
       Namesake: Grand Admiral Hans von Morskoye
       Construction Period: 1942-1943 (15 battleships)
       Main Armament: 12x16 inch guns (1942)
       Secondary Armament: 20x5 inch guns, 8x100mm anti-air guns, 52x40mm anti-air cannons, 18x25mm anti-air cannons, 90x20 mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired by: Montana class battleship, Vanguard class battleship
       Numbers Built: 15 (RFS Morskoye, RFS Androv, RFS Muller, RFS Yakutsk, RFS Vanov, RFS Karlsland, RFS Mark, RFS Russland, RFS Kaiserick, RFS Mauserin, RFS Luger, RFS Lityvak, RFS Nicholas, RFS Wilhelm, RFS Vladir)
       Current Status: 10 still in active service, 5 in Rossiyan Reserve Fleet
    Kongo class fast battleship
    1. Type: Captured Japanese Fast Battleship
       Number: 1 (Plus three under construction)
    Nagato class battleship
    1. Type: Captured Japanese Battleship
       Number: 1 (Plus one under construction)
    Yamato class battleship
    1. Type: Salvaged and reconstructed Japanese Battleship
       Number 1 (Plus one under construction)
  Battlecruisers
  
  • Torivok class Battlecruisers
    
    1. Type: 1930s battlecruiser
       Namesake: Commodore Gerhard Torivok
       Construction Period: 1929-1931
       Main Armament: 8x12 inch guns
       Second Armament: 12x5 inch guns, 8x100mm anti-air cannons 12x25 mm anti-air cannons (1929) 12x5 inch guns, 8x125mm anti-air cannons, 8x100mm anti-air cannons, 27x25 mm anti-air cannons (1939)
       Inspired By: Lexington class battlecruiser, Myoukou class heavy cruiser
       Numbers Built: 10
       Current Status: 5 given to America for Operation Crossroads, 2 in Rossiyan National Naval Guard, 1 preserved, 1 sunk as an artificial reef, 1 used as target practice
    Katakov class Battlecruiser
    
    1. Type: 1940s battlecruiser
       Namesake: General Aleksandra Katakov
       Construction Period: 1942-1943
       Main Armament: 12x12 inch guns
       Second Armament: 24x5 inch guns, 44x40mm anti-air cannons, 66x25mm anti-air cannons (1942)
       Inspired By: Alaska class heavy cruiser, Kongo class battlecruiser
       Numbers Built: 10
       Current Status: 5 still in active service, 5 in the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet
  Heavy Cruisers
  
  • Jodl class
    
    1. Type: Early 1930s Heavy Cruiser
       Namesake: Commodore Heidi Jodl
       Construction: 1929-1930
       Main Armaments: 12x8 inch guns, 4x580mm torpedo tube launchers
       Secondary Armaments: 4x120mm anti-air guns, 42x20mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired by: Myoukou class cruiser, Exeter class cruiser
       Number Built: 5
       Current Status: Shoved into the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet in 1934, 1 scrapped in 1945, 1 sunk as gunnery target practice, 1 sunk as bombing targets, 2 sold to Brazil and Republic of Germany (Rossiyan sector of Germany turned Rossiyan supported state in 1948)
    Tesla Class
    
    1. Type: Late 1930s Heavy Cruiser
       Namesake: Lieutenant Justin Tesla
       Construction Period: 1937-1938
       Main Armament: 12x8 inch guns, 6x610mm torpedo tube launchers
       Secondary Armaments: 6x5 inch guns, 2x90 mm anti-air cannons, 16x45 mm anti-air cannons, 54x25 mm anti-air cannons, 8x15 mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired By: Wichita class cruiser, Scharnhorst class cruiser
       Number built:5
       Current status: 1 sunk (RFS Hatakov in the Battle of Santa Cruz), 4 scrapped
    Gornikovna class
    
    1. Type: 1940s Heavy Cruiser
       Namesake: General Tasha Gornikovna
       Construction Period: 1940-1942
       Main Armaments: 15x8 inch guns, 8x610 mm torpedo tube launchers
       Secondary Armaments: 18x5 inch guns, 8x100mm anti-air cannons, 16x40mm anti-air cannons, 36x25 mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired By: Takao class cruiser, Admiral Hipper class cruiser
       Number Built: 10
       Current status: 1 as museum class, 5 in Rossiyan Reserve Fleet, 1 in Rossiyan National Naval Guard, 1 given to the Royal Malayan Navy in 1960 as a gift, 1 sunk as a artificial reef, 1 sunk as a target practice.
  Aircraft Carriers
  
  • Vostok class
    
    1. Type: 1930s aircraft carrier
       Namesake: City of Vostok
       Construction Period: 1935-1936
       Main Armaments: 80xaircraft, 20x5 inch guns
       Secondary Armaments: 12x90mm anti-air cannons, 56x40mm anti-air cannons, 84x25mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired by: Lexington class aircraft carrier
       Numbers built: 5
       Current Status: 2 preserved as museum ship, 1 given to the Republic of Germany, 1 given to the India as a independence gift, 1 lost in action (RFS Rusefin, Battle of Midway)
    Kunetova class
    
    1. Type: 1940s class
       Namesake: State capital of Kunetova, Kunetova
       Construction Period: 1940-1942
       Main Armaments: 100xaircraft, 36x5 inch guns
       Secondary armaments: 36x 90mm anti-air cannons, 64x40mm anti-air guns, 122x35mm anti-air cannons, 220x20 anti-air guns
       Inspired by: Essex class aircraft carrier
       Numbers built: 15
       Current Status: 2 preserved as museum ships, 10 in the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet, 2 in the Rossiyan National Naval Guard, 1 sunk as an artificial reef
  Light Cruisers
  
  • Arachne class
    
    1. Type: 1930s light cruisers
       Namesake: Mythical Creature Arachne
       Construction Period: 1934-1935
       Main Armaments: 16x6 inch guns, 8x580mm torpedo tubes
       Secondary Armaments: 8x100mm anti-air guns, 42x25mm anti-air guns
       Inspired by: Mogami class light cruiser
       Number built: 20
       Current Status: 1 preserved as museum ships, 3 sunk in battle (Centaur and Thor sunk in Battle off Guadalcanal, Vampire sunk in Battle off Bougainville) 2 sunk as gunnery target practice, 3 sunk as bombing targets, 1 sunk as missile targets, 2 sunk as artificial reefs, 2 was handed to the Americans for Operation Crossroads, 2 sunk in Operation Vicious (Rossiya's version of Operation Crossroads), 2 scrapped
    Ungeheuer class
    1. Type: 1940s light cruisers
       Namesake: Mythical Creature Ungeheuer
       Construction Period: 1941-1942
       Main Armaments: 20x6 inch guns
       Secondary Armaments: 18x5 inch guns, 48x25 mm anti-air cannons
       Inspired by: Cleveland class cruisers
       Numbers Built: 10
       Current Status: 2 preserved as museum ships, 3 sunk as artificial reefs, 5 in the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet
  Destroyers
  
  • Kämpfer class
    
    1. Type: 1930s destroyer
       Construction Period: 1935-1936
       Main Armaments: 4x5 inch guns, 10x533 mm torpedo tube launchers
       Secondary Armaments: Depth charges
       Inspired by Sims class destroyer
       Number built: 100
       Current status: 5 preserved as museum ships, 10 sunk in combat (RFS Panzer, RFS Angriff & RFS Tankov sunk in Battle off Guadacanal; RFS Vintovka, RFS Mörtel & RFS Rytsar' sunk in the Battle off Savo Island; RFS Seekrieg sunk off the Bougainville, RFS Blitz, RFS Zaryazhat' sunk in an engagement in the Bismarck Sea; RFS Voyna sunk in the Mediterrainen) 5 sunk as torpedo target practice, 10 sunk for gunnery target practice, 15 sunk as bombing target, 5 sunk in Operation Vicious, 10 given to Republic of Germany, 5 given to Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force, 5 given to the Republic of China's Navy, 10 were sunk as artificial reefs, 20 scrapped
  Zmeya class
  
  1. Type: 1940s destroyers
     Construction Period: 1941-1942
     Main Armaments: 10x5 inch guns, 10x610 torpedo tube launchers,
     Secondary Armaments: 24x40mm anti-air guns, 15x25mm anti-air guns, depth charges
     Inspired by: Fletcher class destroyer, Akizuki class destroyer
     Numbers built: 205
     Current Status: 5 preserved as museum ships, 15 sunk in combat (RFS Grenadier & RFS Donner sunk in the Atlantic; RFS Maschinengewehr and RFS Sturmgewehr sunk in the Mediterranean; RFS Okhranniki sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea; RFS Granata sunk in the Battle off Midway; RFS Strelok sunk in the Battle of Santa Cruz; RFS Jaeger, RFS Boyevoy sunk in the Battle of Savo Island; RFS Feldwebel sunk in the Battle of Cape Esperance. RFS Krieger sunk in Battle of Tassafaronga; RFS Serzhant sunk in the Japanese Operation I-Go; RFS Haubitze, RFS Schütze, RFS Belagerung sunk in the Battle off Samar) 50 in the Rossiyan National Naval Guard, 30 in Rossiyan Coast Guard, 20 in Rossiyan Reserve Fleet, 15 given to Republic of Germany, 10 given to Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force, 10 given to Republic of China Navy, 10 given to Republic of Korea's Navy, 10 given to West German Navy, 10 given to Italian Navy, 10 sold to Brazil, 10 sold to Mexico, 10 sold to Greece, 5 sold to Turkey, 10 sunk as artificial reefs

Submarines

• Dukh class
  
  1. Type: 1930s submarine
     Construction Period: 1935-1936
     Main Armaments: 4x533 torpedo tubes
     Secondary Armament: 1x5 inch gun
     Inspired by: Type B3 class, River class
     Number built: 80
     Current status: 2 preserved as museum ships, 7 sunk in action, 66 scrapped, 5 sunk as artificial reefs
  Doppelgänger class
  
  1. Type:1940s submarine
     Construction Period: 1941-1942
     Main Armaments: 8x610 torpedo tubes
     Secondary armaments: 2x40mm anti-air gun, 2x35mm anti-air guns, 2x25mm anti-air guns (1942), 2x25mm anti-air guns (1943)
     Inspired by: Type IX-D class submarine, Gato-class submarine
     Number built: 80
     Current status: 5 preserved as museum ships, 5 sunk in action, 25 in the Rossiyan Reserve Fleet, 30 in the Rossiyan National Naval Guard, 10 scrapped, 5 sunk as artificial reefs

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