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A few more queries, if that's OK, Oberst:

Firstly, can you advise the nature of the secondary battery? It looks like it's a split LA/HA which were generally less efficient than a DP battery (not to say that it's not a valid design choice, indeed the KM went with a split secondary for what were - at the time - good reasons (at the time they were designed they were more concerned with destroyers than aircrat)) - if it is DP I wonder if you've got redundancy by having a 5" and a 90mm aboard at the same time (US went for 5" and then 3", I think, when they were carrying that sort of ordnance).

Secondly, the radars that the Katakov-class are carrying - certainly by 1944 German radars couldn't hold a candle to the US stuff, so I'm not sure why you've got Prinz Eugen's radar set alongside the US directors & ranging radar - if you had access to the US stuff you probably wouldn't _need_ the KM radars...

Regards,
Adam

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The Rossiyans had spies in Germany throughout the 1940s and they stole a lot technologies from the Germans which included the radar but the Rossiyans knew it was no better than the American radar they had license to so they rebuilt the radar and made even better than the Germans ever dreamed of having. The Kriegsmarine radar you see on the Katakov was medium to short range air search radar which was very sensitive as it could tell what planes were coming at what altitude. The American radar was given the task of searching from medium to long range and with the modernization, 1944, the ranges were extended slightly by roughly 25 percent.

On a second note, can you explain what is HA, LA and DP? I do not know them

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Hi Oberst,

Apologies for diving into acronyms straight off! "DP" is "Dual Purpose" - the same gun for surface targets and airborne targets; "HA" is "High Angle", used for airborne targets, and will tend to be a smaller calibre to permit a faster rate of fire; "LA" is "Low Angle", used for surface targets, and will tend to be heavier calibre in order to knock bigger holes in the target ships.

For instance, the US used the 5"/38 as a DP gun, allowing 20 to be used against air or surface targets on the Iowa. The KM went for 12 LA 149.1mm guns - too heavy to be useful against airborne targets even if they could point that far up - and 16 105mm HA guns on the Bismarck.

Also, with regards to the radar, you're looking at a pretty brutal inverse-square mechanic on those (it's actually inverse square, squared - not only do you need to paint the target with radar energy x but you need to get enough of it back to detect at the receiver) - to increase distance by 25% you'd need to radiate around two and a half times the energy. Throw in the inefficiencies in generating the radio signal in the first place and that's a huge additional draw on your systems. Might be better to just go with the US stuff...

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Adam

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The secondary armaments are dual purpose and I will change what the modernization does to the KM radar, they now are more effective than they were in 1942, their ranges are not increased

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I, for one would like to see any light cruiser type that is armed with 20(!) 6" guns plus 18(!) 5"! That displacement must be huge.

All I can say is: please consider revising your perimeters for this AU. Yes, it's an AU, so technically everything is allowed, including flying Unicorns, but don't you want it to at least somewhat realistic? Now it looks very much like a kind of shipbucketized NationStates!

Btw, on your Tesla-class CAs, please take another look at your funnels. Right now their position or aesthetics just doesn't make sense. In other words, it looks like a very basic kit-bash without much thought given to how to harmoniously integrate different kit-bashed parts.

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The Tesla class was not a well-liked class and this was evident how sailors were more rowdy compared to those in the Gornikovna class cruisers which were a hell a lot uglier.

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I have editted the ship list, I have decided to make the ships not invincible, so some of them will have sunk in battle

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Gornikovna class heavy cruiser
This heavy cruiser class was deemed the most ugliest cruiser class the world has ever seen but it was also one of the most powerful cruisers. It was named after General Tasha "Tanker" Gornikovna, commander of Rossiya Army's first armoured division. The cruiser class has twenty 8 inch guns and eight 610 mm torpedo tubes for its main armaments. Its secondary armaments is made of 15x5 inch guns, 8x100mm anti-air cannons, 16x40mm anti-air cannons, 36x25 mm anti-air cannons. It is powered by 10 heavy boilers powering 4 steam turbines each, producing 40,000 hp each totalling to 160 MW or 215,000 shp which gives it a top speed of 33 knots. This class had 6.25 inches of belt armour at its thickest and the deck armour is 3.5 inches thick. These crews are manned by 1950 sailors. The one of these cruiser weighted 24000 long tons. There were twenty of these ugly warships at sea by 1943.
This is how RFS Gornikovna and her sister ships' configuration when they appeared in 1942.

In 1944, the cruisers underwent modernization and the radars and electronics were replaced or upgraded.

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Ungeheuer class Light Cruiser
This light cruiser class, named after the mythical creature, Ungeheuer. This class of cruiser was designed to take over from the Arachne class from fleet action as the Rossiyan Navy need ships to escort their Lend Lease convoys to the UK, Free French and the Soviet Union. This class was armed with 20x6 inch guns as its main armaments. The secondary armaments on this cruiser class are 18x5 inch guns, 48x25 mm anti-air cannons. It was adequately armoured with 3-5 inch of belt armour and 3.5 inch of deck armour. It is crewed by 1650 sailors. It was powered by 6 heavy boilers powering 4 steam turbines creating 97MW or 130000 shp which gives this class of cruisers a top speed of 34 knots. There were fifteen of these cruisers
This is how RFS Ungeheuer and her sister ships look like as they came out in 1942.

These ships were then modernized in 1944 and this how they turned out.

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