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Hi GD,

As ever, a brilliant drawing. What else is there to say except "Keep 'em coming!".

Rhade, I think this is a reference to the comparatively thin deck armour virtually everybody had at that point. It certainly doesn't seem significantly less than the Iron Duke-class, although, to be honest, short-range fights were what HSF ships would have been doing, anyway, given the likely weather and areas they'd be fighting in...

Regards,
Adam

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Interesting point, thanks... I was wondering the same.

Hmmm... interesting, thx for info.

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Beautiful drawings

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Beautiful drawings of a beautiful ship.

During the 3rd November to 27th December 1917 repairs, weren't the forward torpedo tube rooms stripped of its equipment and the torpedo ports sealed and then turned into an additional watertight compartment?

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Awesome drawings!

Excellent work, GD! Еxpect Baden.


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Hello everyone!

First, thank you all for the appreciation.

My comment about the Bayern referred to several factors which made them superior north sea fighting ships, but greatly curtailed their usefulness on the open ocean. The rather devastating verdict of the British about these ships after analyzing Baden probably reflects that they were quite worthless for the needs of the RN, but for our rather different requirements, they were quite satisfying. Their guns had relatively light projectiles (750kg against the 865kg of the British 381mm guns) with rather large explosive content, fired at a very high muzzle velocity but rather low elevation, resulting in flat trajectories; range was much shorter than that of the British 381/42 gun. On the plus side, Bayern's guns had a reload cycle of 23 seconds, giving them considerably better ROF than their British counterparts, which was important in the short, sharp engagements at close quarters which the HSF expected to fight. Their vertical armour, underwater protection and compartmentalization also were better than those of British ships, only the decks were thinner. At close range, deck hits were unlikely, so the emphasis on vertical protection was logical given the kind of engagements the Bayerns were to fight. Their inferior fire control equipment was not much of a drawback in a close shootout, and neither was their coal-burning machinery with limited range and more smoke emissions than British engines, because it usually was so misty in the North Sea that the smoke could not be seen anyway. The only genuine design fault with no redeeming features was the fact that the Bayerns were structurally less solid than the R's, which made them liable to take stress damage from firing their own guns (obviously the Germans, who changed from 305mm guns directly to 380mm without ever introducing an intermedate caliber, had underestimated the amount of hull strength needed to safely take the huge gun's recoil). The R's apparently did not have this problem. They also were more habitable and more stable (although the Bayerns were reputed to be more steady); for ships whose crews were expected to live in shoreside quarters most of the time, habitability obviously was not much of a concern.

@ Tempus Fugit: I was under the impression the torpedo ports were simply welded shut, not plated over; I have not found photographic evidence for either variant. Of course I will change the pic if you have evidence!

@ Weisman: The others will be drawn by Tempus Fugit. I only started Bayern because I overlooked that it already was on his worklist.

Greetings
GD

Hmmm,
More likely welded-shut

ouch....