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Oberon_706
Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 4:13 am
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I have to ask, wher are you hiding all those people and how are you gerding them?
I did a comparison with Denmark just to see how the numbers worked out.
In 1918 Denmark had a population of 2.9 million and a total area of some 39,000 sq km for a population density of about 74. In 1920 the border moved South a bit and the area grew to ~43,000 sg km. In 1938 the population reached 3.84 million for a density of 89. Post-WWII everyone seemed to catch the baby making bug and the population soared to its current level of 5.63 million people and a density of 131.2.
Incidentally Denmark currently producers enough food to feed ~15 million people. To do that we've converted som 64% of the available land to farmland. In other words you'll need 27500 sq km of flat and fairly fertile land to feed your population. That's kinda hard to do when you're living on a 12200 sq km rock primarily known for sheep and shitty weather.

Anyway, back to the numbers.
According to your numbers in 1918 you'll have a population density of 90. In 1938 it has grown to 533. In 2014 that would have made you the 20th most densly populated country in the world. I have no real data for 1938, but I would'nt be surprised if that's enough to put you in the top five at least.
By 2014 it will reach a truly outstanding 1148. That makes you the 10th most densly populated territory in the world only beaten by semi independent cities like Macau and Hong Kong and really tiny islands.
And unlike those places you can't realistically import all you need. Hong Kong and Macau are only semi independent from China so they don't have to look far, Singapore is at the core of the single largest shipping route in history, has a much smaller population and it's right next to Indonesia and Malaysia.
You on the other hand are stuck in the middle of nowhere in the South Atlantic and the only country you could realistically trade with is Argentina, a country that hates your guts. Chile and Brazil are simply too far away to ensure reliable supply.
On the other hand it would make it fairly simple for the Argies to win the war. Simply stop selling food for a month or two and then ask for your surrender.
Even if you aren't starving outright by then, though that seems likely, your entire economy will be completely shattered.
Naval forces exist to defend territorial waters and sea lanes from aggressors - the situation in the Falklands is no different. You're right that it's a big population on not much land, but in this AU there's not just the falklands themselves, but also South Georgia that is inhabited. Despite this, yes, the Falklands are, by necessity, heavily reliant on Imports (mainly from Australia, the USA and from Europe, given the hostility from South America that precludes much trading activity) and this trade is by sea and requires protecting, hence the large and capable Navy.

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 5:06 am
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DCFI Naval Service - Improved Exeter Class Heavy Cruiser

As the fledgeling Falklands Naval Service kicked itself into gear during the 1930's, a need was identified for a fast, heavily armed cruiser to form the striking power of the new fleet and provide a strong deterrent to enemy surface forces and commerce raiders. Based on experience gained in the construction and early service of the York Class Cruisers, the plans for HMS Exeter (completed in 1931) were used as the basis for a substantially larger heavy cruiser, mounting as it's main armament, 10 x 8" guns in 5 MkII Turrets, Secondary armament and Torpedoes etc were as per the original Exeter design. Crewed by a ships compliment of 760 (+ embarked Marine Detachment) The 'Improved Exeters' as they became known, were 210m Long, with a beam of 22m and weighed in at some 13,660 Tonnes full displacement, making them the largest cruisers operating with any navy outside the major powers (USA/UK/Germany/Japan). Despite their size they could top out at an impressive speed of some 32 knots which, teamed with their equally impressive armament, gave them more than a fighting chance against larger surface combatants such as the Nazi Pocket Battleships and Japanese Heavy Cruisers.

Built at John Brown and Swan Hunter's Clyde-side yards respectively, HMFS Falkland was completed in January 1937, with her sister HMFS Falconer commissioned in October of the same year. The third ship of the class, HMFS Forceful, also came from John Brown and didn't begin build until Falkland had slid down the ways in 1936, additional delays in build and the prioritization of Royal Navy orders meaning that war had already broken out by the time she commissioned in December 1939.

The three ships early war service mainly saw them escorting Convoys to and from the Falklands and into the Mediterranean. and it was this service that saw them enter their first real action. Forceful and Falkland were heavily involved in the hunt for the Graf Spee, although weren't present for any ship-to-ship action. Falconer was seconded to Admiral Cunningham's Mediterranean fleet during March 1941, and saw heavy action in the Battle of Cape Matapan, combining with the Battleships Barham, Warspite and Valiant in the sinking of several Italian Cruisers and Destroyers. Falconer was later severely damaged by german bombing whilst on convoy duties near Malta and retired to the UK for extensive repairs and upgrades. During these repairs, the majority of her wrecked forward superstructure was replaced with a new design based on the Edinburgh class light cruisers and much of her gun direction and radar systems were replaced with up-to-date marks. The reborn cruiser recommissioned in June 1943, joining the 10th Cruiser Squadron and operating in support of the Arctic convoys to the Soviet Union. It was during this period when Falconer was involved in the sinking of the German Battleship Scharnhorst at the Battle of North Cape.

Forceful and Falkland both received the same upgrades as their battle-scarred sister by the end of 1943, at which time both were assigned to the bombardment force supporting the campaign in Sicily and the follow-on invasion of Italy. Both ships served with distinction in this role and in late May 1944, sailed north to conduct similar duties in the D-day landings, serving in support of British and Canadian Divisions off Juno and Gold Beaches. Forceful and Falkland were relieved in this role by Falconer in December, after which both retired to Portsmouth for refit and crew leave. Falconer ended it's deployment to french waters supporting additional allied landings in the bay of Biscay, and after a short period in refit, joined it's two sisters in a fast transit cruise (via Panama) to Australia to join the newly formed RN Taskforce 37 (British Pacific Fleet) operating with the light fleet Carrier HMFS Pioneer in the Feet train Escort role till the end of the war. All three ships were present in Tokyo bay for the Japanese surrender.

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As Delivered Configuration (1937-1939)
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As Modified WW2
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Space Saver: As Upgraded Post-War

Space Saver: HMFS Falkland - As Preserved

And before anyone cries fowl over crediting etc - this drawing is 110% my own work. My first truly original drawing so probably lots of room for improvement, and any comments to that end are welcomed.

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Edit: As-Built Image updated 18/07/14
Edit: WW2 Upgrade Image added 21/07/14

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 5:07 pm
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It's very nice, as far as I can see. However, I'd lower the 'Q'-turret to the same level as the 'A'-turret, thereby as far as is possible precluding any unnecessary blocking and/or overlapping of the 'B'-turret. Also I wonder if your funnel arrangement is enough for your likely powerplant. I'd probably work in a third funnel, or make either one wider to accommodate a fourth uptake.
But those are just my five cents worth of opinion...

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 5:20 pm
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Alternately, one might prefer to lower B turret, resulting in a Worcester-like arrangement.


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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 5:33 pm
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True erik, and I'm not opposed to such an arrangement. However, I believe it'll impact the overall length and quite probably sea-keeping quality negatively. Already now, I believe the turrets ought to be brought closer to the center, but, again, there are multiple choices; mine's not necessarily the best, it's only how I'd prefer doing it!

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 17th, 2014, 8:14 pm
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Well, lowering B turret instead of Q would have the effect of moving the center turret of the three aft, and would also shift aft the higher-up weight, thus reducing the roll-pitch coupling. If anything, seakeeping would probably be improved.


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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 18th, 2014, 4:28 am
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Thanks for the Contributions Gents,

Please note the additions and changes I've made to original Image in response to your suggestions.

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 18th, 2014, 3:01 pm
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A nice looking design.
I agree Q turret would be better at A level, to reduce topweight and the weight of the extra barbette armour more than anything else.

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 18th, 2014, 4:05 pm
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Hi Oberon_706
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Why Israel? Well, because the two countries share a similar strategic and tactical defense situation
1) I don't think they do ? The FI will likely still have very good relations with the rest of the white Commonwealth (massive and powerful) and although they are separated out they still have easy sea links.
If the FI is awash with oil revenue all they need to do is pay a significant contribution to the RN (always desperate for cash) and they get cast iron get out of jail free card of a battle fleet/CBG. (well in public we all know how Singapore went ;) )

2) How the 'New' FINDF ? change the LNT ? (how would they share out the CA tonnage ?) and the building capabilities of British yards ?('additional delays in build and the prioritization of Royal Navy orders' would they not be treated as part of the RN ?)

3) Would they not just order RN type ships (I know that spoils the fun of drawing new ships :( ). I would think the FI would build what it was suggested to (after debating the cost) by the RN, They would want more smaller units to cover a larger area (and you can always team up to fight a large raider).

4) you cant lay down a 10,000+ ship pre 37 ? unless you are very estranged from GB ? (WNT/LNT/LNT2).

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Post subject: Re: Preliminary thread for a future Falkland Islands AUPosted: July 18th, 2014, 9:06 pm
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Just noticed your cruiser, a beautiful ship, but for a 1937 ship, there are a lot of radar antenas.

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