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the Norwegian minewarfare vessels. (among the best of there type around, but getting old) the only armament they have is 2 12.7mm and a manpad for AA defense. An minevessel don't need more, they are not going to defend half the world by it'self, that is the work for an escort like a Frigate!
almost similar to Norway, and the Nansen. When the Nansen is fully armed, it have Standard missiles and 127mm cannon.

I wouldn't think a ship with a 30mm cannon and a RAM is going to defend half the world itself. I'm suggesting not making it utterly defenseless. Given the likely places it would have to operate having something to deal with small boats wouldn't be a bad thing.
Similar to a lot of vessels. I'm not suggesting anything the rest of the world isn't already building. That's one of the reasons I think the LCS is so ridiculous. The rest of the world has been building Frigates and Corvettes for decades that are impressively capable and then we build... that.

but 30mm and RAM is over the top, that is what I saying. a 12.7mm is more than enough for an minewarfar vessel to deal with any small boat. while an Manpad is also more than enough to deal with helicopters, but also small boats with it's rockets.

A RAM is used mostly to take down missiles. And if an minewarfar vessel is inside a zone where it's a danger to be attacked by missiles, she would have an escort with it. for just adding 30mm and RAM will make the minewarfar vessel way to expensive. two "12.7mm" HMG for stopping any small boats and one Manpad like the "Sadral", we have an modified version of these vessel, and they carry 20mm next to 12.7mm but that is due they are build to go in an hot-zone. but today they are escorted by other vessels, so they almost never have more than an 12.7mm with them.

I see your point about the RAM. I still think a manned, not automated, 25-30mm mount isn't a bad idea.

Just as I said max 20mm! Named, but you can use the "low cost" Kongsberg SeaProtector 12,7mm. It's just an 12,7 with some cameras and remote control... Nice to have.

From what I understand, part of the reason is that the minewarfare boats are small - 750 tons or so is the figure I remember reading (is that due to cost \ complexity on larger GRP hulls?)

With that kind of draconian weight limit I can understand shipping the bare minimum self-defence capability.

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Weight issue is not the big concern on this ships, but if you want it small...

for example that vessel above that I posted can easy handle 127mm, and two small tactcal VLS. But that is due to the hull design.

Hi Heuhen,

Yeah, that one looks a little Skjold-related from that picture - is it?

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That one is build many year before skjold.

A couple of comments;
With robots deployed from FF/DD, rather than special-purpose, special-design, special-build ships with limited broader utility.
There are lots of reasons, such as the current limits on composite construction. One issue is that a smaller vessel has less pressure wake and is thus less likely to set off mines. The disadvantage is that they are very poor at deploying long distances - RN SRMH have a *very* low speed of advance at sea and the Captain of Visby straight up admitted to Jane's that although they are just fab in the littorals, they have great difficulty deploying to someone else's littorals...
How many of those FF/KK have a massive mission bay and flight deck bigger than LPD-17? Different courses, different horses.

M340 is Orskoy if I remember correctly?

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