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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 12:31 pm
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A very nice effort. I join the above critique about the early, as completed, light AA configuration. AFAIK the usual fit for battleships, in the pre-war era, is 4 quad 1.1" mounts and 6 to 12 0.5" water cooled machine guns. All small AA positions had added protection in the form of bulwarks as stipulated by the King's committee of 1940.
The North Carolina as completed had no fire control radars (which you removed from the Mk.37 5" directors) but from the 16" directots (Mk.34?) you have forgotten to remove the radars. Also you need to remove the surface search SG radars from both masts, as they were introduced only in 1942.
The North Carolina was the first ship with the CXAM-1 radar (the predecessor of SK)
BTW, oddly enough the first ships to have radar were not the battleships, but cruisers.

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 4:08 pm
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Hi Novice,

That kind of makes sense, though - very early radars were not much use for fire-control (but were still useful for search), so would have suited a scouting cruiser better than a battleship that'd just be lighting up friendlies anyway, I think?

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 6:36 pm
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David-Latuch,
I have three dozen of US battleships (& ! battlecruisers !) 1928-1936 studies (some never-seen before :mrgreen: ).
Are you interested to draw it :?:


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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 6:51 pm
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The AA fit changed considerably on all the USN surface combatants throughout the years (but especially on the BB-55 class...) so I wouldn't expect to get it absolutely "perfect"... each refit added and subtracted various guns in different places.

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 6:55 pm
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Let me dig a little deeper and see if I can find some photos of her that are clear enough.

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 6:57 pm
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Colombamike wrote:
David-Latuch,
I have three dozen of US battleships (& ! battlecruisers !) 1928-1936 studies (some never-seen before :mrgreen: ).
Are you interested to draw it :?:
YES! Absolutely.

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 7:31 pm
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I don`t suppose they`re from the USN Spring styles book?


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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 7:45 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
I don`t suppose they`re from the USN Springsharp book?
You must think beyond the "USN Springsharp book" (1911-1925 ; 1939-1944) but staying on very reliable sources :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 8:14 pm
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Okay I've fixed what I could and short of plans or a good drawing I can't find the actual placement for the .5 MGs so I've stuck with the 20mms as she was configured in early 1942.

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Post subject: Re: USS North Carolina (BB-55)Posted: April 18th, 2014, 8:16 pm
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Colosseum wrote:
The AA fit changed considerably on all the USN surface combatants throughout the years (but especially on the BB-55 class...) so I wouldn't expect to get it absolutely "perfect"... each refit added and subtracted various guns in different places.
I fully agree for the "perfect", BUT:

Despite numerous modifications AA, we can draw some MAJOR PERIODS, for the North-Carolina BB's such as:
- as comissionned (spring 1941), whithout radar & with 4 quadruples 1,1" AA, a dozens of 0,5" MGs
- by february/september 1942, with radars, camo, & numerous 20mm guns.
- maybe during mid 1943 ?
- mid 1944 refit
- postwar (1946), training-ship (with less AA guns)


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