Shipbucket

None of the above. Tiger was scrapped in compliance with treaty obligations and simple logic which I have already pointed out - several times.

What does Tiger have to do with "HMG not wanting to star a war"?

Why was "Iron Duke cheaper to run"?

If the was an "Institutional dislike for battlecruisers" why keep Repulse and Renown, or Hood for that matter?

"Politicians" were/are not gifted with a crystal ball. In a RN where 23 knots was seen as the minimal speed for battleships in Tiger's day, how could they have known in 1932 that BB speeds would increase to 28-30 knots in a few years? Besides, what do politicians know about warship design, anyway.

JSB, do your homework bro. After that I think you'll find that you and I will have very little to argue about.

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Are you enjoying insulting me, is that why you come on this thread, to boost your ego by acting like a high and mighty know it all? If you weren't so busy doing so, you would notice that the part I just bolded was the important part. Removing casemates is in no way an extensive rebuild and is the historically accurate thing to do. Its my fault that I didn't make the purpose of the quote clear, I'm gonna stay away from this thread, because clearly nothing i'm saying is productive and is only feeding the fire.

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I personally think it just came down to the fact that they just wanted to keep Jellico's flag ship ! (pity they didn't manage, or keep warspite etc later).
JSB

ps or maybe it just had a nice cabin for the admiral and training command got to pick ?

Colombamike,

My entire premise is based on either spending the cash on rebuilding Tiger to the full extent or scrapping her. The half measures proposed here serve no useful purpose and are a total waste of money, resources and time. It's all very simple in the case of Tiger - you do it right or you don't do it at all.

While I don't necessarily expect you to agree with my argument, I at least expect you to understand it.

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I don't want to start anymore arguments (but before I post my next tiger update)
but RN could probably have kept Tiger rather than Iron Duke
Money or rather the lack of it.
Its smaller.
They where paid for and fast and Hood was really a fast BB by WW1 standards.
The Nelsons where the slow option to limit displacement and still 23 Kn, but any post treaty (ie WAR) BB's where going to be big and fast. (G3/KVG/Lion etc).

JSB


Can we all be nice and just disagree ? I like a full rebuild but I don't thank it will ever get past HMT (but still maybe fun to draw)

Still with a few thing to do (in green) but I would love your input.
Thanks all its nice to have lots of people taking an interest in the Tiger,
JSB

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The London Naval Treaty. It wasn't worth sacrificing better and newer ships (particularly those still in the pipeline, i.e. the KGVs) to keep a WWI battlecruiser around. The Japanese justified the Kongos because they were faster than everything else they had with only a relatively marginal loss of firepower, everything else they had were contemporaries of the Kongos anyway and as demonstrated by the Yamatos and Mogamis they really didn't care to adhere to the London Naval Treaty in the first place.

Had the RN not cared about the London Naval Treaty (being that it was named after the city it was drafted and signed it, it was literally their own treaty in the first place) Tiger likely still would've been scrapped (and a bunch of other contemporary ships including Revenge and the QEs, sooner) so that they can flood their navy with brand new ships (like a whole bunch of KGVs and even Lions). The Japanese were in the middle of designing a Kongo replacement that wouldn't have been too far behind the Yamatos when they decided, eh, we better kick off this war thing now (in fact depending on who you ask the Yamatos were the Kongo replacements, if they actually got around to building the number they wanted).

What you could do to justify Tiger:

1.) Put in a clause in the LNT that lets you keep it
2.) Cite the Panzerschiffs/Kongos as justification of needing ships faster than 25 knots
3.) Retire a QE or a Revenge

Me, I'd be willing to swap a Revenge for Tiger. Royal Oak was reduced to training status when she was sunk anyway (which was the whole reason why she was in Scapa Flow in the first place). But to do this, you need to make Tiger a worthwhile asset. The Japanese massively reconstructed the Kongos to turn them into 30+ knot battleships. And they did this because they had no choice (it was always the plan to replace them with fast 30+ 18-inch battleships, whether they be Tosa follow-ons or Yamato follow-ons).