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David Latuch
Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 1:40 pm
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apdsmith wrote:
Hi David,

I believe the preferred font looks like this:

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Adam
Thanks I don't know if it's only my MS Paint or everyone by my text does not come out black rastered but multi colored as it attempts to smooth the curves even in the Ariel Font.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 1:43 pm
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Good. I've been waiting for your further imput. I'm going to delve back into it. Stay tuned.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 1:43 pm
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if you use paint, simplest gimic is to make a gif. file, then open it with paint and type your text there and then copy-paste it as an image to you actuall drawing file.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 1:57 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
Well, David, I've checked numerous photos of both the Connecticut and Virginia after their modernisation. They all agree on a couple of things, though they differ in detail:

1) The navigation-deck canvas cover (denoting the extreme width of the bridge structure) is not inside, but outside the base of the cage towers. I other words, your renditions are wrong, since they indicate too narrow bridge platforms. It also wraps around the upper-level base of the two-storied CT.
I understand that the image bellow is from a model rather than a photo but it's the quickestlink I could find explaining why I depicted the charthouse inside the cage mast.

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
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2) Both classes were equipped with extended pilot bridge wings. They were collapsible (in similar fashion as the German practice was), but they were there nevertheless.
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The Bridge Wing is shown here colored. Purhaps I should emphise it more?
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I did show you with the Connecticut how to best make those alterations. You could use it as a base on how to properly depict those, aforementioned features.
I know these are details, but, often the details, or lack or erronenous featuring thereof, that spoils an otherwise competent illustration.

It would be sad if you'd leave such wonderful and valuable drawings in a state of incompletion, subject to that kind of critique, which, with your proficient level of knowledgeability and drawing skills ought to be made redundant.
I'm still going back to investigate and improve the drawings

Thanks a lot Bezo.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 1:58 pm
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Gollevainen wrote:
if you use paint, simplest gimic is to make a gif. file, then open it with paint and type your text there and then copy-paste it as an image to you actuall drawing file.
WOW! I never though of that . . . sooo simple.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Bezo,

Check out NAVSOURCE link here. Toward the bottom of the page is a photo of Virginia too. I also appears to have her charthouse within the cage mast. All the photos are grainy for sure but they seem clear enough for me . . . but I've been wrong before and most likelly will be again.http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/18c.htm

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 2:19 pm
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I see, but, my friend, that bridge extension is at the wrong level, I'm afraid...
And, also, I never said anything about the charthouse. That one is correct. I was referring to the canvas tarps covering the railings. They are very clearly outside of the cage mast base, since the superstructure is obviously wider than that base. I will send you a very lucid photo of the Virginia to support my explanation.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 2:56 pm
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Better?

Keep firing away Bezo.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 3:31 pm
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Hahaha...you're funny!
But, seriously, now we're cooking!
I can clearly see the extension wings, so that's really good. However, I'm not so convinced (still) about the canvas at the base of the cage mast. I still think that it should be covering the entire length, without the cage mast legs showing. Also, you may have noticed (and it did strike me as a "duuh"-moment!) that the top of the CT is covered with a canvas, i e it has railings. You can find this odd feature on many US BB-pictures from the 1910s and 1920s, both pre- and dreadnoughts. That was, in fact the primary conning station with a detachable pelorus and chart tables.
The original idea was that the ships should be conned from the CT (according to, I may add, faulty lessons learnt from the Russo-Japanese War.) However, it was quickly found that any US CT was too cramped to really be suitable, in addition of making sideways and aft vision almost impossible. That's why they very soon after the modernisations were complete hurried to add both the bridge wing extensions and the PriNav station atop the CT.

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Post subject: Re: USS Virginia (BB-13)Posted: March 31st, 2014, 3:38 pm
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Check it out now we must have crosssed paths as I was editing the link. I agree about the canvas.

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