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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 3:09 pm
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I got the idea for the Black Hand while researching the Balkans for the AU, and upon discovering that the group responsible for the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand (despite multiple blunders) before WWI was known as the Black Hand, I said to myself: "That'd be a bitchin' name for the AU ultranationalist group!"
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't sound like this is going to be a serious scenario if this is in the OP...
You have my assurances that that will be ironed out in the final version of the AU.
I'm still in a "concept phase," so I left that in, just for a little background on the name.

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 5:09 pm
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And of course the sanctions wouldn't work. Could anyone name a time in history when economic sanctions have worked?
Cuba?

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 6:14 pm
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Kattsun, really? I come to this place to try and get away from the politics nonsense!
Well for one you could try drawing USS Lyndon B. Johnson with an updated parts sheet or something.

I don't think anyone has retouched the Zumwalt.

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 6:32 pm
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I'm sorry, Kattsun, I just don't follow you here. Can you explain the comment?
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apdsmith wrote:
Kattsun, really? I come to this place to try and get away from the politics nonsense!
Well for one you could try drawing USS Lyndon B. Johnson with an updated parts sheet or something.

I don't think anyone has retouched the Zumwalt.

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 11:02 pm
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jabba wrote:
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And of course the sanctions wouldn't work. Could anyone name a time in history when economic sanctions have worked?
Cuba?
They kind of ignored that. XD
Don't they still have the same cars they had in the 60's, before the embargo, and they just keep repairing them?
(Don't quote me on that.)

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 17th, 2014, 11:15 pm
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apdsmith wrote:
I'm sorry, Kattsun, I just don't follow you here. Can you explain the comment?
Kattsun wrote:
apdsmith wrote:
Kattsun, really? I come to this place to try and get away from the politics nonsense!
Well for one you could try drawing USS Lyndon B. Johnson with an updated parts sheet or something.

I don't think anyone has retouched the Zumwalt.
The point of an AU is to draw ships. If it's 2058 or whatever, a good ship to draw would be USS Lyndon B. Johnson. It won't be that old, only about 45 years or so, and it's fairly unique among the Zumwalts: It has a steel deckhouse instead of a composite. It also looks futuristic, and isn't even in service yet, so more points. You could draw a mid-2040s refit with laser or railgun CIWS, too. That would be plausible. More importantly, I'm fairly sure the current Zumwalt on the site is pretty old, so you could start fresh with new detail.

That should really be the first thing you hammer out (what will I draw?) when starting an "AU".

Instead of asking Shipbucket for help with politics, ask Shipbucket for help with ships.

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 18th, 2014, 2:35 am
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2058, mmmm.
Look at what we have changed in the last 45 years and go left field.
I doubt that much of what we have now will be relevant in any way.
We should be onto 4th or 5th gen UAV (air and sea) and other robots by then and as for the Black Hand.
One word Germany. EU is not going to stand for a member state being threatened and the UAVs will be all over that no fly zone.
Germany will be stable and its corporations will own most of everything up to the russian border, where ever that will be by then.
The current gas loss threat should kick Germany further into developing energy sources free of unstable regimes.
Most of what you are discussing will be air/land based.
The only ships involved would possibly be a combined Med blockade fleet eg as in Persian Gulf.
If anything like this did happen by then it may well be a play by Russia to undermine the EU Balkan strangle hold
in the same way the original Black Hand was a Russian ploy to destabilise Austria-Hungary.
So possibly a domino effect post a Rus annexation of Ukraine.
I think ships will be a distant player in what would be a hacking war first and robots second.


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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 18th, 2014, 8:46 am
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TrebleisMyMiddleName wrote:
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TrebleisMyMiddleName wrote:
And of course the sanctions wouldn't work. Could anyone name a time in history when economic sanctions have worked?
Cuba?
They kind of ignored that. XD
Don't they still have the same cars they had in the 60's, before the embargo, and they just keep repairing them?
(Don't quote me on that.)
I repeat, Cuba. And Gaza.

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Post subject: Re: I need some help with my AU concept.Posted: March 18th, 2014, 9:46 am
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They kind of ignored that. XD
Don't they still have the same cars they had in the 60's, before the embargo, and they just keep repairing them?
(Don't quote me on that.)[/quote]
I repeat, Cuba. And Gaza.[/quote]

Well, the Gaza Strip is still a hotspot for some major shenanigans, but Cuba kind of got screwed over with the embargo.

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