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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 24th, 2014, 7:27 pm
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Hi David,

I think one of the reasons is the Washington Treaty - the New Mexico's plant was substantially larger for the same power as her sister ships, which just became a waste under Washington rules.

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 24th, 2014, 8:01 pm
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Adam,

Wasn't it the New Mexico that sailed from Manilla back to the States backwards because her bow had beentaken off in a wreak? This was something a steam driven ship could not sustain.

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 24th, 2014, 8:32 pm
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Actually Syzmo, the bridge configuration in this case doesn't make sense, since, as you correctly point out, it harks back to the rebuilt bridge configurations on the U.S. battleships - except the Big Five! That was then because all of those, including the Mississippis were intended to be conned from their armored CT; hence dispensing with virtually all bridge structures, except the pilot wing's and a small chart house beneath the compass platform.
This was no longer the case when the Big Five were finalized and built. Hence it'd make much more sense to use the Big Five bridge configuration, and, perhaps tinker with it instead. The USN would not have taken such a huge retrograde step!
As for the secondaries, I think Mr. Latuch is on the right path; casemates would still have been used. Mind you, a substantial portion of the Omahas' guns were casemated! - So, retain the casemates, my friend, it's the way to go!

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 24th, 2014, 10:26 pm
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Hi Dave,

That was the Maryland, I think, there's an article on navweaps about it. Also points out that because the turbine keeps the same direction and speed, with only the motors changing direction, it's much easier to go full ahead to full reverse, which saved Maryland from ramming Oklahoma when it dodged out of the way of a destroyer and, separately, a torpedo at Leyte Gulf (probably).

Full thing here:
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-038.htm

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 24th, 2014, 11:33 pm
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I think your correct. I read that articlea few years ago. It sparked my intrest in terbo-electric drives.

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 25th, 2014, 1:29 am
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Mine too, it seems curious that the system was abandoned for so long - particularly in light of ever-increasing power demands for ship's system even between wars, much less afterwards.

One thing that I do wonder is if turbo-generators and diesel-electrics could have been combined to provide yet further fuel efficiency. I understand that in New Mexico's time, diesels were more economical for cruise but a diesel sized for high speed would be too massive to fit in any realistic ship, so you ended up with hybrids like Konigsberg and Leipzig - would a similar thing be possible with electric transmission?

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 25th, 2014, 2:38 am
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when I served on Skipjack (SSN-585) I always found it strange that our emergency propulsion motor was diesel rather than electric.
This meant we werersquiered to snorkel? Dah?
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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 25th, 2014, 9:10 am
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Hi Dave,

I suppose the thinking is that if something is that bad you'd pretty much want to surface the boat anyway - Skipjack had battery reserve, no? If so diesels really would be a last resort...

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 25th, 2014, 10:55 pm
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So, I took it apart and started over. Obviously this is a WIP, be kind please

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Post subject: Re: What if there was no Washington Treaty?Posted: February 25th, 2014, 11:12 pm
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Firstly, loose the torpedo bulges, you don`t need them. The superstructure looks a little iffy. You need more space between the two engine rooms. Somewhere between 150-200 pixels should look good, lots of space for boats. You`ll need many as this is obviously flagship material. And take off the MGs, no American ships had them at that time. Make all the portholes of the same size and recolor the parts taken from the Arizona.


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