Federal Republic of Denton

So, no comments... Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

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Well, I've already given my comments, and my opinion hasn't shifted.

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My Avatar:Петр Алексеевич Безобразов (Petr Alekseevich Bezobrazov), Вице-адмирал , царская ВМФ России(1845-1906) - I sign my drawings as Ari Saarinen

Ok. So essentially, this is what you're looking for?
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Hey, as far as I can see, you've done a heck of good job there! I know it's hard to do stuff like that, but I think you got it pretty well! (I have to admit I never expected this!)

Bezo, thank you! I will say that now, I am glad I did that. Even though it is a small detail(well, you know what I mean), to me it looks 100% better.
Here she is:
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DNS Lock Haven, Dentonite Dreadnought laid down 1911

Displacement:
24,320 t light; 26,059 t standard; 27,793 t normal; 29,181 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
565.50 ft / 565.50 ft x 95.50 ft x 27.50 ft (normal load)
172.36 m / 172.36 m x 29.11 m x 8.38 m

Armament:
10 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
17 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 14,962 lbs / 6,786 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 140

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 205.00 ft / 62.48 m 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
Ends: 9.00" / 229 mm 225.00 ft / 68.58 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
135.50 ft / 41.30 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 380.00 ft / 115.82 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Main Belt covers 56 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm - 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 9.00" / 229 mm 9.00" / 229 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34,748 ihp / 25,922 Kw = 21.00 kts
Range 7,800nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,122 tons (95% coal)

Complement:
1,076 - 1,399

Cost:
£2.744 million / $10.975 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,870 tons, 6.7 %
Armour: 9,615 tons, 34.6 %
- Belts: 4,711 tons, 16.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,745 tons, 9.9 %
- Armour Deck: 1,922 tons, 6.9 %
- Conning Tower: 237 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,297 tons, 8.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,337 tons, 37.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,474 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,843 lbs / 13,083 Kg = 21.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 18.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.655
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.92 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.78 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.50 ft / 8.08 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (45 %): 22.50 ft / 6.86 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 16.81 ft / 5.12 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.7 %
Waterplane Area: 41,561 Square feet or 3,861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 189 lbs/sq ft or 924 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.34
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

-EZ

Very, very nice!
It appears that you have some extra hull strength to spare according to springsharp, you can use it to increase the range and/or armor until the Overall Strength value becomes 1.00, or you can simply lower the block coefficent (and thus displacement).

Thank you BB1987!

I have updated the SS report and added 800 miles to the range and increased the armor on the belts.

Alright.. Here we go again.
This is a pre-dreadnought built by Newport News in 1896 for the Denton Navy. It was designed in conjunction with the Kearsarge BB-5 and Illinois BB-7 battleships being built at the time, so it looks a lot like both ships. The layout follows the Illinois, when it comes to the gun setup, except for the addition of another set of 5" casemates amidships.
Now, I did do this fairly quick, so if you spot anything I missed, just let me know and I will fix it!

Here she is, DNS Innsbruck.
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DNS Innsbruck, Dentonite Pre-Dreadnought laid down 1896

Displacement:
10,286 t light; 10,835 t standard; 11,579 t normal; 12,174 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
351.00 ft / 351.00 ft x 72.25 ft x 23.50 ft (normal load)
106.98 m / 106.98 m x 22.02 m x 7.16 m

Armament:
4 - 13.00" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,098.50lbs / 498.27kg shells, 1896 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Main guns limited to end-on fire
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1896 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
16 - 2.20" / 55.9 mm guns in single mounts, 5.32lbs / 2.41kg shells, 1896 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 5,479 lbs / 2,485 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 150.00 ft / 45.72 m 6.00 ft / 1.83 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 180.00 ft / 54.86 m 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
21.00 ft / 6.40 m Unarmoured ends
Main Belt covers 66 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 11.0" / 279 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,415 ihp / 6,277 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,339 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
557 - 725

Cost:
£1.132 million / $4.527 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 685 tons, 5.9 %
Armour: 3,756 tons, 32.4 %
- Belts: 816 tons, 7.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,353 tons, 11.7 %
- Armour Deck: 1,477 tons, 12.8 %
- Conning Tower: 110 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 1,402 tons, 12.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,442 tons, 38.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,293 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,228 lbs / 6,000 Kg = 12.0 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.14
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.75

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.680
Length to Beam Ratio: 4.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.73 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.50 ft / 3.51 m (18.50 ft / 5.64 m before break)
- Stern: 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Average freeboard: 18.32 ft / 5.58 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.6 %
Waterplane Area: 19,965 Square feet or 1,855 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 758 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.88
- Longitudinal: 3.16
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

-EZ

So my plan is to work on the Denton Navy from 1915, when Denton enters WWII after the sinking of 'The Concordian,' all the way to modern day (in chronological order).
With help from Eswube, I have a fleet list from 1915 to 1950s, shown in the spoiler below. However, I am only working with 1915 for the time being.

1915 (4 Capital Ships, 8 Cruisers, 13-15 Torpedo Ships)
1 x 1880 Ironclad/Monitor (small ship ca.2000-4000t, used as training ship and in poor condition)
1 x 1900 Pre-Dreadnought (BB-3 Innsbruck)
2 x 1912 Dreadnought (BB-4 Fort Albany Class)
2 x 1905 Armored Cruiser (USS Tennessee)
4 x 1880-1890 Protected Cruiser (small ships, likely more than one class) (USS Atlanta, Olympia)
2 x 1905 Protected Cruiser (Russian Aurora?)
4 x 1890 Torpedo Boat (ca. 100t, maybe even less)
2 x 1900 Torpedo Boat
3 x 1900 Destroyer (B class)
6 x 1910 Destroyer (Beagle)

To be continued at a later date:

1922 (3 Capital Ships, 8 Cruisers, 16 Torpedo Ships)
1 x 1900 Pre-Drednought (training and coastal defence ship)
2 x 1912 Dreadnought
2 x 1905 Armored Cruiser
2 x 1905 Protected Cruiser
4 x 1915 Light Cruiser
2 x 1900 Torpedo Boat
2 x 1900 Destroyer
6 x 1910 Destroyer
6 x 1915 Destroyer

1935 (3 Capital Ships, 8 Cruisers, 18 Torpedo Ships, 3 Submarines)
1 x 1900 Pre-Drednought (training and coastal defence ship, in poor condition, likely in reserve)
2 x 1912 Dreadnought (modernized BB-34 New York Class)
2 x 1930 Heavy Cruiser (Wichita CA-45)
2 x 1905 Protected Cruiser
4 x 1915 Light Cruiser
6 x 1910 Destroyer
6 x 1915 Destroyer
6 x 1930 Destroyer (Porter Class)
3 x 1925 Submarine
1 x Aircrarft Carrier (on hull of never-completed "1930 Heavy Cruiser")?

1945 (4 Aircraft Carriers, 3 Capital Ships, 8-10 Cruisers, 36 Torpedo Ships/Large Escorts, 6-9 Submarines)
2 x Fleet Aircraft Carrier (1 x 1930 and 1 new?)
2 x Escort Carrier (Casablanca)
2 x 1912 Dreadnought (modernized BB-34 New York Class)
1 x 1937 Battlecruiser
2 x 1930 Heavy Cruiser (Wichita CA-45)
2-4 x 1915 Light Cruiser
4 x 1937 Light Cruiser (St. Louis class)
6 x 1915 Destroyer (in secondary roles)
6 x 1930 Destroyer
12 x 1940 Destroyer
12 x 1940 Destroyer Escort (might include Lend-Lease Ships)
3 x 1925 Submarine
3-6 x 1940 Submarine

1950 fleet (2-3 Aircarft Carriers, 1 Capital Ship, 6 Cruisers, 24 Escorts, 3-6 Submarines)
2 x Fleet Aircraft Carrier
0-1 x Escort Carrier (very likely in reserve/maybe as aviation training ship, in late 1950s perhaps as experimental helicopter carrier)
1 x 1937 Battlecruiser
2 x 1930 Heavy Cruiser (to be decommissioned soon, maybe already in reserve)
4 x 1940 Light Cruiser
total of 24 x Destroyer
6 x 1930 Destroyer, 12 x 1940 Destroyer, 6 x Destroyer Escort
3-6 x 1940 Submarine.

NOTE: ship names in parentheses are ships already drawn or will be the base for ships to be drawn

I plan on basing most of my ships (mainly capital) off of American ships, at least until the 1920s, when Denton starts to manufacture (most) them domestically.

With all this being said, I need some help finding ships suitable for:
1880 Ironclad/Monitor
1890 AND 1900 Torpedo Boat

I can't seem to find a good listing of the ships that were built for these times and classes and I have not been able to find much in the Bucket (mainly because of lack of information).

Any help and input would be appreciated.

-EZ

Look at the Archive in Shipbuket Homepage, there are several Italian and Dutch ships. Also look at other AU nations

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