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eswube
Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 4th, 2013, 5:56 pm
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Most (or even all) BUA version (1103) VC.10's were combi with side door.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/British- ... f48cdbcebc
F-3 was supposed to be it's all-cargo follow-on with side door.
I'm not planning to draw it - after all, it's right side (and that's what usually visible on SB) would differ from standard VC.10 probably only with lack of passenger windows.


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 4th, 2013, 10:04 pm
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Fantastic work Eswube and Hood!

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 5th, 2013, 8:38 pm
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One more - and final, at least for now - never-were VC.10.

Around 1964-1965 Vickers design team created some more follow-on designs to the double-decker VC.10. Among them was one with slightly shorter fuselage and which instead of four engines had three RB.178-14 turbofans instead.
As it's designation Vickers P.582 is mentioned, but also the "normal double-decker" Type 1180/1181 appears (actually my base drawing had both of them).

Many thanks to Hood who did a great work on engine arrangement.
Great Britain, Vickers VC.10 1180/1181 or Vickers P.582
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klagldsf
Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 5th, 2013, 9:03 pm
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The most interesting thing about it is that it's essentially a reverse-turbofan engine, with the same goals.


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 5th, 2013, 10:23 pm
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Great work eswube and Hood. A real cracker to add to this brilliant thread. 8-)


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 5th, 2013, 11:16 pm
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Mmmmmm

Spectacular.

I shall begin hacking shortly. :P

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 6th, 2013, 10:32 am
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The engines are RB.178-14 'aft fan gas generators'. The RB.178 was the 'Super Conway' rated at 27,500lb static thrust. It seems the basic 1180/1181 was to use four of these standard engines. The rear-fan engines above may be an early development of the large-fan RB.178, the first engine did not run until July 1966 and it directly led to the RB.207 (50,000lb static thrust) which was a demonstrator for the big-fan high-temperature engine programme. The later versions of the RB.178 were what we'd consider normal front fan turbofans (as used on the aborted HS.134 stretched Trident with underwing engines of 1967) and the VC.10 design shown here dates from 1965 so probably shows the earliest big-fan RB.178 concept.

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shippy2013
Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 6th, 2013, 11:11 am
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The sad truth is at one time our country was at the zenith of aircraft design, now we only produce aircraft as collaborative efforts with our European or US partners.....


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 6th, 2013, 3:35 pm
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If there is anyone who thinks that any design from all these is plausible (forget about politics) please write in my thread about What if British Designs.


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eswube
Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: December 6th, 2013, 6:17 pm
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What do You mean? These are actual designs done by major aircraft manufacturer around 50 years ago. If they wouldn't be "plausibe" they wouldn't try to design them.


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