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1. actually, it is. you can clearly see it on the burke, on the forward superstructure for example. and the UNREP masts are visible on most ships as well. the perry has very visible cranes on the front of the bridge and on the hangar. and so on and on and on.....

2. no, but as you have no space for an ASROC reloader, an larger Mk 13 would certainly not fit.

3. well, you could have looked at the Cb of similar ships and take an closer estimate of the displacement, which is quite an important factor when designing a ship. I did it using only that formula.

4 &6. it has only one, as the WM and the SPG-51 were not designed to work together. the SPG-60 STIR was, though. WM-25 would work indeed, for USN service as the Mk 87 FCS I think though. cassard doesn't bother because it has the Mk 74 FCS, also known as tartar, completely separate from the gun and self defence FCS, IIRC. similar to how the tromp has it's WM system.

5. you would need the uplink and of course an helicopter suitable to take the system on board. an large radar is part of it, for example.

8. do whatever you want then

it's still not suitable for all roles, on the other hand, now it is much more stuff on it then I think the hull can reasonably take. especially that second helo and that Mk13mod.

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A California-scale weapons system (which curiously was forced to ship both ASROC box launchers and Mk 13... in 1975, before something something LCS whatever) on a 4000 ton (!!!!!) hull, with two directors and a SPS-52 *. And one screw. On steam. Refueling at jogging speed rather than walking pace, because this is apparently a critical distinction.

Sorry, the combination of combative discussion and outright conceptual absurdity is just too much for me. I'm out.

Erik, I'm out too. something I think I should have done earlier, this is getting close to trolling me.... or at least has this effect on me
final conclusion: it doesn't work. draw what you want.

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1) Ah. I saw these cranes on the Brooke, but they weren't drawn on the shipbucket archive images so I assumed they were removable. Nevertheless in their stowed position like on the Perry, they'd be only a few pixels wide. Not enough to warrant the effort, really.

2) There is space, indeed, I'm just cautious about the beam rather than deck penetration.

3) I don't have time to look up cb of warships, sadly. I assumed that having a 16 meter beam would mean the ship weighed something similar to Type 23.

4) Cassard has two, I suggest you look again, there are clearly SPG-51s on the rear:



5) Perhaps it is carried in the nose, I just cannot be bother to draw a large nose like Z-9. We can assume it is in there, though, because I said it is.

6) See 4.

8) I certainly shall, thank you.

I agree, it's quite ridiculously overloaded now. The second helicopter not so much, but the second Mk 13 is quite a bit silly. I suppose I'll just put some Perry cranes on it, keep the second helicopter, and replace the forward launcher with ASROC. That should be absolutely dandy for handling defence against ASMs and submarines.

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

Cassard was also shooting for more AAW capability (and could afford this because the Mk 13 was the sole primary weapon system rather than trying to ship ASROC and a helicopter hangar, too). You need either a bigger, more capable ship or you need to start removing weapon systems and place those systems on other hulls.

Also you have ridiculous freeboard, I don't know why that hasn't been pointed out yet. But I need to get that off my chest.

Should fix all concerns, save for hangar issues, but that's for another day when I do a may do a top view.~
Yes, a Perry is an absolutely absurd concept. v:

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

I did this in 2004 from a Pakistani oiler to the USS McFaul (DDG74). It worked but was pretty dicey maneuver wise. We had to do an emergency breakaway due to a fueling system leak, but that was a separate issue.

Perry did it without ASROC though. A single weapon system, particularly with such a large launcher, takes up a lot of space.

Why don't you want to design a larger ship anyway? Steel is cheap; it's the weapon systems and sensors that drive price up, so the actual cost won't change much.

And gas turbines.

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