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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 3rd, 2013, 3:19 pm
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On the sail plan for the War of 1812, the studding sail booms most assuredly were carried. They were in fact set during that famous wind still chase the Constitution experienced during that war. Otherwise it looks very promising. Hopefully you'll do the 'slugger' USS President as well (with her two-tiered stern galleries!

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 3rd, 2013, 3:30 pm
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Looks promising. :)
One thing - maybe not really important, but I tend to notice it (and get annoyed :lol: ) - contours of the masts. They aren't quite parallel in the sense that diagonal lines are represented by a stair-like zigzag and here these "stairs" are at various places (except for the highest portions), so the thickness of masts is randomly varied along the height (3 pixels - 2 pixels - 3 pixels - 2 pixels, for example).
Well, the masts taper up towards the top - they are not poles of the same length all the way to the top (this is evidenced by the plans I have) - so regardless you're going to end up with the unfortunate "stairstep" effect that comes with pixel drawings.

That said, I do see what you mean in a few places. Anyway this version of the masts and spars was not really intended to be final so I will likely correct that in the next version.

Also, hearing from bezo, will definitely draw the studding-sail booms attached to the masts. My understanding is that studding-sail yards were hoisted up to the rigging and then attached by the topmen when the studding-sails were set - so I will not add the studding-sail yards on the finished drawing.

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 3rd, 2013, 3:42 pm
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Thiel is likely correct on there being no spirit sail. That yard and standing rigging is to impart stiffness to the bowsprit.

I'd rig the studding sail booms if practical...rigging that gear while underway would be an oppeeational nightmare for the crew.

On texturing sails, do them before standing and running rigging! I've created a LOT of extra work for myself on the USS Wampanoag I'm working on. A vast amount of time fixing linework done earlier.

Other than that, this could become a great how-to thread!

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 3rd, 2013, 3:52 pm
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I'm not too worried about the "order" of drawing - I use Photoshop and have everything conveniently layered. ;)

I'm itching to leave work and continue working on this drawing... :(

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 3rd, 2013, 7:11 pm
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As built the frigates had the British style yellow nelson chequer around the gun ports, by 1812 they all had the characteristic American white band around the hull. American ships never had a spritsail or spritsail yard, they were call whiskers and they were not heavy enough to hold sails. they simply pushed some of rigging in the headrig out away from the bowsprit, jib boom, and flying jib boom. otherwise Thiel gave you the right answers to 1-3 and I'm not sure about 4 or 5, I don't think I've ever seen a shipbucket drawing with hammock rails.

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 4th, 2013, 12:14 am
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Good information - for some reason I thought most American ships used the white paint regardless.

Next question for the experts relates to the rudder hinge plates that attach to the rear of the lower hull. What were these made of? I would assume iron - and were they cover by the copper plating? I would not think so as IIRC the plating was there to protect against teredo worms. I ask because I need to know how to color those plates. Same goes for the horse shoe shaped plate near the bow.

What is the term for the gild work at the bow?

Does anyone have any usable scans of Constellation? Chapelle's book has the plan split down the middle (quite an annoying thing to do...) and I don't have a scanner anyway.

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 4th, 2013, 1:07 am
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Iron and Copper underwater react badly, I'd imagine it'd be some alloy

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 4th, 2013, 4:25 am
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Have removed the yards until I get a better idea of how I want to do them.

Also made an attempt at the ratlines on the foremast, as well as some standing rigging - going off the AOTS diagrams and the 1817 sailplan for this. Let me know if this doesn't look right - I see that the actual ship looks a bit different in terms of ratline setup, but I just don't know enough to know why or if that's the right configuration for what I'm representing (1812). I have a feeling no one knows and we're basically going to be left with a drawing that will have some flaws regardless of how it's done...

Using an especially dark grey color for the standing rigging and the ratlines as I believe it was tarred. I'll use a tan or brown color for the rest of the rigging.

Still to-do:

1. Ship's boats
2. Coppering
3. Hull finalizations
4. After mainchains
5. Sails (obviously)
6. Hammock rolls (filled or otherwise)
7. Misc

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 4th, 2013, 9:50 am
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Loving it! keep going!

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Post subject: Re: USS Constitution (1797) - WIPPosted: October 4th, 2013, 11:23 am
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it's certantly better than what I could ever do regaurding ship bucket scale sailing ships.


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