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| Author: | klagldsf [ June 12th, 2011, 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) |
It's only bad if he can't prove he originally wrote it. Given the few posts of OP and the relatively recent date of posting for that, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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| Author: | TimothyC [ June 12th, 2011, 6:11 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) | |
It's only bad if he can't prove he originally wrote it.
I'm not. I say we ban him for Plagiarism.
Given the few posts of OP and the relatively recent date of posting for that, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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| Author: | Portsmouth Bill [ June 12th, 2011, 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) |
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| Author: | TimothyC [ June 12th, 2011, 6:30 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) | |
Go ahead
I can't as I don't have the mod powers to do so. Perhaps calling for a ban at this point was out of policy.The reason I called the post plagiarism is because he copy-pasted off of multiple sites without citing his sources.  I'll shut up now and leave it to the rest of the staff to discuss such things. |
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| Author: | CATZ [ June 12th, 2011, 8:28 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) | |
Alright. I'll prove it by posting a response in my thread on Warships1. http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.c ... ply-227821
I can't as I don't have the mod powers to do so. Perhaps calling for a ban at this point was out of policy.
I never claimed I wrote everything in there, so it's not plagiarism. The reason I called the post plagiarism is because he copy-pasted off of multiple sites without citing his sources. I'll shut up now and leave it to the rest of the staff to discuss such things. Also, Wikipedia is open source/free content site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About If you want though, I can rewrite it. Not like its a college essay. I just organized a series of tidbits from sites I use a lot. There's quite a bit in there that is mine though. A lot of it comes from Globalsecurity.org or wikipedia. It used to have a series of reference pages but they were deleted when the thread was trimmed down by mods after reaching like, 17+ pages long. I can recreate them though if you realllllly want a bibliography. Of course, this is obviously a personal grudge from Tim. Probably because I disagreed with him. |
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| Author: | CATZ [ June 12th, 2011, 8:36 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) | |
I suggest everyone takes a peek at the conclusion the guys at NavWeaps arrived at when Distress first posted this rather long bit of copy pasta a couple of years ago.
Who, DaveAAA? The thread used to be longer, but was trimmed down. The original conclusions aren't even there anymore. I'm willing to recreate the debate though (without the flaming that occurred on that site hopefully) if people are wanting to discuss the finer details.And note that they are in general very much pro BBs. Also, that forum is definitely not ProBB. lol. However, if you want: I have a file from an Army Colonel: http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Lo ... =ADA481976 Description for his thesis reads: A paper submitted to the Faculty of the Joint Advanced Warfighting School in partial satisfaction of the requirements of a Master of Science Degree in Joint Campaign Planning and Strategy. The contents of this paper reflect my own personal views and are not necessarily endorsed by the Joint Forces Staff College or the Department of Defense. I would say that his thesis which is pro BB (or pro anything which mitigates the NFS/NSFS gap) is very reliable imo. |
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| Author: | Raven [ June 12th, 2011, 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) |
Ok, I don't know about the plagiarism thing, but I do have a modern day dreadnought design, and a halfway decent reason for it's existence. My dreadnoughts were built to fulfill the roles that traditional dreadnoughts fill, with an important addition, they hunt carriers. In my AU, the twelve battlegroups consist of 8 carrier and 4 dreadnought groups, the dreadnought groups aggressively pursuing enemy carrier groups, prosecuting fire support missions, and showing the flag in far ports. ![[ img ]](http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l434/Raevyn_bucket/AltNdn2-1.png) Armament: 2x 16" 62cal triple turrets w/LRLAP rounds capable of 250 mile radius of action. 512x 24" VLS cells 16x 16" vertical explosive magnetic flux compression guns w/128 rounds. 64x 10" VLS 128x 24" Horizontal launch array for torpedoes and ASW missiles 6x Integrated Point Defense Arrays Sensors: UWB band cognitive phased array radar C-band phased array radar L-band long range search radar Dual band X/W band high power discriminators for terminal guidance, ABM work Infrared phased array system. This beast would probably cost 6-8 billion euro at the going rate. |
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| Author: | CATZ [ June 12th, 2011, 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) |
That's really cool Raven! Looks good too. It's better than I can do at this point...  You might also want to read that thesis I linked above- http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Lo ... =ADA481976 I think it also addresses some of the critiques found earlier in this thread as well. I read it months ago myself. It is also very very useful for understanding large caliber guns for use in modern warfare. You might even change your ship a little bit after reading it. You know what, I would suggest that everyone read it. It's that insightful. In the meanwhile, I'm going to rewrite my original post. Might take a couple days tho. |
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| Author: | acelanceloet [ June 12th, 2011, 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) |
one thing: all this reminds me of Zipang, the first anime I ever watched. in one episode, the Yamato begins to shell an island where the US forces have just landed. thousands of US soldiers will die when the yamato's shells are going to hit the ground. the AEGIS destroyer Miraï, of which the crew disapprove the large bloodshed of the war, (yes I know it is an kinda science fiction story, with time travel and all, but well after this comes the point I want to tell you) and the Miraï begins interception of the shells. she does this with sea sparrows. YES, SEA SPARROWS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcWFQoP ... re=related (from 2.20 onwards) if we can take down missiles and large shells by missiles, this ship would only be able to take out small forces, with no means of air defence. now to the real world: think as if this large battleship is used in the real world. which missions would it be send on? - iraq: first had too much air defence for this ship, and after the first (day?) there was too less resistance for this ship to be of use - afghanistan? - libia: here it could be of some use. shelling would be cheaper then missile/aircraft bombardements, but would it have the precision to 'protect citizens' without hitting them? well, you see my point. maybe there is some use in an 'artillery ship', but I think the zumwalts will fill this role as good, if not better. and cheaper. don't get me wrong here, I am not trying to crush your ideas entirely, but why would you need such an large ship with so many guns and weapons, when you have the zumwalt, which does the same for an lower price? I am not an zumwalt fan, but well..... just wondering. |
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| Author: | TimothyC [ June 12th, 2011, 10:32 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Modern Battleships- The BB(X) | |
I never claimed I wrote everything in there, so it's not plagiarism.
In academic writing, which your initial post tries to come off as, you must cite your sources. By failing to even mention that you were copy-pasting the vast swaths of content you were by default taking credit for it. In at least one community I'm a member of that's grounds for summary banning. It also tends to get people in serious trouble (getting fired and/or legal action) when it happens in the real world.
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