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Author:  TimothyC [ September 25th, 2011, 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Timothy Derails Niteroi thread with carrier tangent
Biancini1995 wrote:
The problem here is because of the governament with is not interessed in give funds to the navy.
You guys have an Aircraft Carrier. In that one ship you've got better power projection ability than anyone but the US, Russia, and France. You're on par with Italy and Spain because while you only have one carrier and they have two each, São Paulo is a CATOBAR carrier, as opposed to the STOVL carriers the Europeans in question operate.
Author:  Biancini1995 [ September 25th, 2011, 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Type 21 On Steroids: Brazil's Niteroi-Class FFGs
The problem Brazil doesn't build any medium or Larger ships in the navy and don't any interrest.
Author:  Rodondo [ September 26th, 2011, 1:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Type 21 On Steroids: Brazil's Niteroi-Class FFGs
TimothyC wrote:
Biancini1995 wrote:
The problem here is because of the governament with is not interessed in give funds to the navy.
You guys have an Aircraft Carrier. In that one ship you've got better power projection ability than anyone but the US, Russia, and France. You're on par with Italy and Spain because while you only have one carrier and they have two each, São Paulo is a CATOBAR carrier, as opposed to the STOVL carriers the Europeans in question operate.
But the Sao Paulo won't be in for commission long will she? IIRC she's rather old

Also I suppose we Aussies will be in the same group as the Europeans soon?
Author:  TimothyC [ September 26th, 2011, 3:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Type 21 On Steroids: Brazil's Niteroi-Class FFGs
Rodondo wrote:
But the Sao Paulo won't be in for commission long will she? IIRC she's rather old
The Brazilians just spent five years rebuilding her (everything from her Steam plant to her CCTV system). This is the same navy that operated Minas Gerais for just shy of 41 years, and had her still in commission on her 56th anniversary of her first commissioning. I'd expect another 10-15 years of service out of her minimum.
Rodondo wrote:
Also I suppose we Aussies will be in the same group as the Europeans soon?
A friend of mine came up with a Catagory listing of nations with aircraft carriers, or carrier capability, and while simplistic it does show off the different levels that exist
  1. CATOBAR Navies
    1. USA
    2. France (while they only have one carrier, and it's a rather flawed design, it's still a CVN)
    3. Russia
    4. Brazil
    5. China (with Varyag having now been stood up)
  2. STOVL Navies (Those navies that have STOVL carriers, and operate them as such)
    1. Spain
    2. Italy
    3. India
    4. Thailand (while they have a carrier, the status of the Harriers is uncertain)
  3. STOVL Capable Navies (Those navies that have STOVL platforms but don't operate STOVL aircraft off of them)
    1. UK
    2. Japan
    3. South Korea
  4. Navies with Carrier qualified Air assets
    1. Argentina
The Australians will be moving into the third category while the Brits and the Indians will be moving into the first
Author:  Portsmouth Bill [ September 26th, 2011, 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Type 21 On Steroids: Brazil's Niteroi-Class FFGs
Sorry, have I missed something? I thought this was about the Niteroi class?
Author:  Rodondo [ September 27th, 2011, 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Type 21 On Steroids: Brazil's Niteroi-Class FFGs
Sorry about derailing this,

In all a fine drawing and I am a big fan of the Brasil
Author:  TimothyC [ September 27th, 2011, 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Timothy Derails Niteroi thread with carrier tangent
Yeah. Ooops.

Topic split from here.

Sorry everyone.
Author:  bezobrazov [ September 27th, 2011, 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Timothy Derails Niteroi thread with carrier tangent
Thanks, Tim! Much appreciated.
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