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Return of the Convoy?
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Author:  Carnac [ June 2nd, 2011, 9:35 pm ]
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With piracy in Somalia constantly rising, would it be more effective to replace the current UN and NATO task forces with a UN/NATO system of organized convoys? Against pirates, all the escort needed would be a single quick, lightly armed corvette or frigate. If each country contributed 1 ship to escort a convoy, a sizeable amount could be organized. If pirates did attack, they would be destroyed by the escorting ship.
Author:  Thiel [ June 2nd, 2011, 9:42 pm ]
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Carnac wrote:
With piracy in Somalia constantly rising, would it be more effective to replace the current UN and NATO task forces with a UN/NATO system of organized convoys? Against pirates, all the escort needed would be a single quick, lightly armed corvette or frigate. If each country contributed 1 ship to escort a convoy, a sizeable amount could be organized. If pirates did attack, they would be destroyed by the escorting ship.
That's exactly what they are doing down there. Unfortunately there simply aren't enough warships available to cover all the shipping going through there.
Author:  TimothyC [ June 2nd, 2011, 9:55 pm ]
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Carnac wrote:
With piracy in Somalia constantly rising, would it be more effective to replace the current UN and NATO task forces with a UN/NATO system of organized convoys? Against pirates, all the escort needed would be a single quick, lightly armed corvette or frigate. If each country contributed 1 ship to escort a convoy, a sizeable amount could be organized. If pirates did attack, they would be destroyed by the escorting ship.
Convoys significantly reduce the total tonnage that can be transported by a given number of ships in given time period. With the low margins that exist in global shipping, the convoy system wouldn't be financially viable.

Edit: The Convoy system as most people think of it (WW2 style massed convoys) wouldn't be financially viable.
Author:  HMS Sophia [ June 2nd, 2011, 10:09 pm ]
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Thiel wrote:
. Unfortunately there simply aren't enough warships available to cover all the shipping going through there.
Maybe we should start building the castle class again :P
Author:  Demon Lord Razgriz [ June 2nd, 2011, 10:12 pm ]
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Or just skip the red tape & political BS and just fraking hang the pirates for them all to see!
Author:  Thiel [ June 2nd, 2011, 10:19 pm ]
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Demon Lord Razgriz wrote:
Or just skip the red tape & political BS and just fraking hang the pirates for them all to see!
First of, it's not BS, secondly it wouldn't help, in fact it might just make it worse.
The crews that resist are invariably treated far more harshly than the ones that comply. So far there has been no fatalities as far as I'm aware, but plenty of people have been beaten to within an inch of their lives on board ships that tried to resist the pirates.
Author:  HMS Sophia [ June 2nd, 2011, 10:41 pm ]
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Thiel wrote:
First of, it's not BS, secondly it wouldn't help, in fact it might just make it worse.
The crews that resist are invariably treated far more harshly than the ones that comply. So far there has been no fatalities as far as I'm aware, but plenty of people have been beaten to within an inch of their lives on board ships that tried to resist the pirates.
I would like to qualify this:
No-one has been killed, who wasn't a pirate. Plenty of Pirates have been shot, and while that is spot on, the more we kill, the angrier the Somali's (sic) will get.
Author:  Thiel [ June 2nd, 2011, 10:50 pm ]
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Pretty much.
Experience has taught us that if you put in defences you have to be damn sure they work, because you'll be even more screwed if they don't.
Author:  HMS Sophia [ June 2nd, 2011, 11:05 pm ]
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This above is good.
If we want to upgun and try to stop the Somali's, we have to stop them dead rather than doing a half assed job of it. Any of them get through, and all of a sudden you have a big bunch of martyr's and people following them.
(Well, I say this, I'm not sure what the Somali psychology is like. Would they be more encouraged by the victorious death of compatriots, or by success and money)
Author:  ezgo394 [ June 2nd, 2011, 11:36 pm ]
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I say just bomb the hell out of the Somalian coast.
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