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Author: | Kattsun [ January 13th, 2014, 7:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
A thread for stupid what-ifs. NATO had a lot of ridiculous vehicles planned for the 21st century. I'm going to draw all the cool ones that aren't gay. Thread starting with PARS 3 LR equipped Panther 2 brought to you by the fine folks at Krauss-Maffei Wegmann: Next is Wildcat, then probably Canadian Chimera/Goliath. I don't know after that probably Bo-105M/P in Heer livery with Fliegerfaust 2 or something mundane. After that I'll try to do an ORBAT of a West German mechanised infantry company with SPz KW 90. |
Author: | Kattsun [ January 13th, 2014, 9:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
I lied: KMW SPz Marder 2/KW90 MICV with 7-man dismount team equipped with G11K2 and Flecktarn. |
Author: | Caddaric79 [ January 13th, 2014, 11:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
Why double post ? |
Author: | nighthunter [ January 13th, 2014, 3:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
Kattsun, please change the "gay" remark to something else, such as "the ones I think are cool and not ones I am not a personal fan of" or "the ones I think are cool, and not the ones that I think suck". We try to keep things PC around here and respect others. If I have to, I can and will change it myself, it's one of my abilities as a Moderator. I am giving you the option to change it, I'd take it before a warning and changing it for you are done. Other than that, nice work on the vehicles and troopers. |
Author: | Kattsun [ January 13th, 2014, 7:56 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century | ||
Kattsun, please change the "gay" remark to something else, such as "the ones I think are cool and not ones I am not a personal fan of" or "the ones I think are cool, and not the ones that I think suck". We try to keep things PC around here and respect others. If I have to, I can and will change it myself, it's one of my abilities as a Moderator. I am giving you the option to change it, I'd take it before a warning and changing it for you are done.
It's an ironic juxtaposition of two definitions of gay: "happy" and "bad". If you cannot understand this sort of humour then why are you posting in my thread?Other than that, nice work on the vehicles and troopers. It's not my fault you're reading it in the overly sensitive manner typical of the types of men who put L before G in GLBT, perhaps you should consider embracing your masculinity like I have. Part of that means brushing off minor things that would offend others, and being offended for others, as the latter is often more offensive than actual insults. As a bisexual, cis-gendered male I'd prefer if you not Other me by applying your own cultural biases and presenting your intertextual dialectic as superior. I don't need your opinion on whether language is offensive to me, I can certainly decide for myself. Besides, homophobia is gay, and this sort of double irony is common. Much like a double negative, taken in the proper context, the sentence reads "(...) draw all the cool ones that are gay", reversing the negative connotation of "gay" and "reclaiming" the word, while retaining the external appearance of the more common use. If you have trouble understanding this relatively simple joke, then perhaps you should just avert your eyes from my future posts.
Why double post ?
Why not? It's a new picture, it deserves a new post.
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Author: | indiajuliet [ January 13th, 2014, 8:30 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century | ||
Kattsun, please change the "gay" remark to something else, such as "the ones I think are cool and not ones I am not a personal fan of" or "the ones I think are cool, and not the ones that I think suck". We try to keep things PC around here and respect others. If I have to, I can and will change it myself, it's one of my abilities as a Moderator. I am giving you the option to change it, I'd take it before a warning and changing it for you are done.
It's an ironic juxtaposition of two definitions of gay: "happy" and "bad". If you cannot understand this sort of humour then why are you posting in my thread?Other than that, nice work on the vehicles and troopers. It's not my fault you're reading it in the overly sensitive manner typical of the types of men who put L before G in GLBT, perhaps you should consider embracing your masculinity like I have. Part of that means brushing off minor things that would offend others, and being offended for others, as the latter is often more offensive than actual insults. As a bisexual, cis-gendered male I'd prefer if you not Other me by applying your own cultural biases and presenting your intertextual dialectic as superior. I don't need your opinion on whether language is offensive to me, I can certainly decide for myself. Besides, homophobia is gay, and this sort of double irony is common. Much like a double negative, taken in the proper context, the sentence reads "(...) draw all the cool ones that are gay", reversing the negative connotation of "gay" and "reclaiming" the word, while retaining the external appearance of the more common use. If you have trouble understanding this relatively simple joke, then perhaps you should just avert your eyes from my future posts. It's a shame that you've already tainted a potentially interesting thread with drawings by exceptionally poor judgement and choice of words. |
Author: | Kattsun [ January 13th, 2014, 11:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
Homophobia doesn't exist except in worthless countries, all the civilised parts of the world have eliminated it by giving same-sex couples the same legal rights and protections afforded to heterosexual ones, or are firmly on the path to doing so in the near future. Now it's merely a symptom of a dying generation, and occasionally breathed new life by post-modernists who, upon detecting a potential lapse in the collective victim complex due improving quality of life, legal protections, and general acceptance of ideology, take it upon themselves to speak for entire segments of society in a wholly unwarranted fashion by furthering the ideas of "patriarchy" and "oppression" when none actually exists. I don't have to "explain what I mean" because it is self-evident when you consider the context. It's called critical thinking, and it's something the millennial generation is sorely lacking. If you can't understand a joke, then you likely never considered it in the first place. It's the very same knee jerk reaction that leads to socialism and acceptance of Islam. The fact that you (general you, not you specifically, post above me) choose to blame me rather than yourself when your own logic fails you is not my problem. It's a problem that you need to take personal responsibility for, not attempt to offload that responsibility onto others in your stead. Perhaps you consider Louis C.K. to be the next David Icke, though, I'm not privy to your thoughts. I'm merely trying to persuade you to open your mind to other avenues not considered within your individual frame of reference. Consider the following carefully: 1) I am GLBT. 2) I used the term "gay" ironically in two senses: 2a) Poking fun at the idea of the ridiculous looking Panther AFV being considered "queer". 2b) A juxtaposition with which I drew parallels to the term "gay" being used as a shorthand for "bad", much like "sinister" means "left". 4) Therefore, considering this blatantly obvious context (do you even go on #shipbucket IRC? I am on IRC every waking moment (and sometimes not waking)), the idea that I would be using it in such a boorish manner is inconceivable. I am clearly a) far too intelligent b) far too sexy c) far too kind, gentle, and good natured to go about using language so crudely. Inconceivable. 5) The logical conclusion therefore is that you take it in the manner intended and presented, instead of going on farcical tangent. Do I need to put "GLBT AND PROUD" in my sig for it to make sense? Being a GLBT left-hand dominant minority White Man, I certainly feel great offense when someone uses the term "sinister" to describe Ming the Merciless. Not only are you comparing me with an Evil Villain, but he is not even white, and he is straight. Yes, this makes perfect sense, for I am so brittle and weak of constitution that my very essence crumbles before the words someone used and the alternative definitions. No, wrong. I take it in stride, use the term ironically, and laugh it off like a mature adult because I have a sense of humour that encompasses a broad range of categories. I can laugh at self-deprecating jokes just as much as any other, it makes no difference. The fact that the forum has the gall to assume that a GLBT member should feel offended at his own joke is quite amusing, though. Anyway this derailment has continued long enough, however, the thread should be getting back to the topic: tiny and impossibly underdetailed linearts. I am currently drawing Wildcat. Discuss. |
Author: | nighthunter [ January 14th, 2014, 12:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
While I respect your right, as an GLBT, to say "F*** the Norm! I'm going to use it ironically!" about the term "gay". It is still, in many English speaking countries, synonymous with the lesser and used as a derogatory remark towards those of a different lifestyle than their own. I have many friends who are homosexual, but that is not important here, what is important is the following: 11. Mutual respect towards other forum members is expected. All personal attacks, remarks and general bashing are forbidden. Swearing and otherwise foul language is also forbidden. 14. The administrators and moderators words are the law. If we tell you to stop, it will be obeyed. Do not argue with management's rulings. Public arguing after moderation means an automatic warning. If you feel you are being treated wrongly, send a PM to an administrator. And to be honest, quite a few homosexuals are offended when the term "gay" is used to refer to something in the derogatory. Just because you, yourself, have moved past and built a thick skin, doesn't mean others have. And we try to keep that kind of thing out of the forum. We are not a politically based forum, so we try to keep politics and activism at a minimum to non-existent. As to the left-handed "sinister" reference, I can agree with you there, as a Southpaw myself. But this belongs in an "Off Topic" thread, not here. |
Author: | seeker36340 [ January 16th, 2014, 11:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
I'm gay and I'm not offended *lol* |
Author: | seeker36340 [ January 17th, 2014, 5:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Corps 86, Bundeswehr 2000, ASM: NATO in the 21st Century |
Having said that, let's move that discussion to a more suitable venue if necessary and get back to the subject |
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