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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: July 28th, 2015, 10:11 pm
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.......... Basically I'm thinking of the need to carry out something akin to Operation Black Buck,.......
Why not just fit Storm Shadow to the A330 MRTT ? should be much cheaper than a dedicated bomber if PFI doesn't get you ;)


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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: July 29th, 2015, 9:33 am
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Although it wouldn’t be my choice for a RAF strategic bomber... (personally I think that with the SSBNs there are no real need for them), but if budget wasn’t a problem, as the main opponent (& target) is much closer, I think range is not so critical as a fast response, so I would go for something like a Anglo-French mini-Tu-22M, which also could be used in maritime strike role... I made several sketches of it, but I really doubt that I will have sufficient will to someday “shipbucketing” them.

But on the other hand a RB211s re-engined B-52 was contemplated very seriously by USAF, so here's the RAF version... Basically a B-52H with 4x RR211-535E4s instead of its 8x TF-33s (using the refit, aft Vulcan was removed), and a refueling probe to be compatible with RAF tankers, I know the position of the probe is a bit unorthodox, but it´s the best place I could find, as the cockpit roof and the radome are already occupied with other stuff... Paint scheme is RAF Hemp overall with Anti-Flash White undersides.

As always, any comment, advice or corrections are welcome!

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: July 29th, 2015, 2:56 pm
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Looks very good and plausible, I was thinking about a hemp colour scheme too, though anti-flash white probably wouldn't be needed unless your dropping WE177s.
A retractable fuelling probe would make sense, as you say location is not optimal but at least the pilots can see the tip in that position. The roof is otherwise occupied.

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: July 30th, 2015, 6:42 pm
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Thanks Hood! I agree with you, in fact my first choice was Hemp & Light Aircraft Grey “à la” Nimrod… But I wasn't convinced about the result… :) and if re-engining was carried out in late 80s-early 90s, I read that RAF had WE177 stockpiled until 1998, so if you have them, better to be prepared for use them… (although if you need to deliver a free fall nuclear weapon in those days, I think your last worry is thermal radiation… ;) ). And last but not least I also think about Anti-Flash as a tribute for the once mighty V-Force… But yeah, I know that it's more a personall whim that something really needed or justified... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: July 31st, 2015, 8:04 am
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It does look cool though. 8-)

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: August 20th, 2015, 1:29 am
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Has anybody had any more thoughts or ideas on this subject, or has it run its course now?

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: August 20th, 2015, 2:24 am
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Lots of thoughts adenandy, but only two drawings. I was hoping to see a few more so that I could learn a bit more about the subject. My aircraft are not too good yet. And modern aircraft are beyond me.


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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: August 20th, 2015, 3:47 am
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Progress wrote:
Although it wouldn’t be my choice for a RAF strategic bomber... (personally I think that with the SSBNs there are no real need for them), but if budget wasn’t a problem, as the main opponent (& target) is much closer, I think range is not so critical as a fast response, so I would go for something like a Anglo-French mini-Tu-22M, which also could be used in maritime strike role... I made several sketches of it, but I really doubt that I will have sufficient will to someday “shipbucketing” them.

But on the other hand a RB211s re-engined B-52 was contemplated very seriously by USAF, so here's the RAF version... Basically a B-52H with 4x RR211-535E4s instead of its 8x TF-33s (using the refit, aft Vulcan was removed), and a refueling probe to be compatible with RAF tankers, I know the position of the probe is a bit unorthodox, but it´s the best place I could find, as the cockpit roof and the radome are already occupied with other stuff... Paint scheme is RAF Hemp overall with Anti-Flash White undersides.

As always, any comment, advice or corrections are welcome!

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Not bad. But that refueling probe will cause nose wander and you don't want that at all. How about giving the old B-52 a hunchback with a retractable probe just aft of the pilot compartment symmetric to the fuselage longitudinal dorsal line? Use the hunchback for fuel probe and a satlink? Just a suggestion.

Unless you plan on installing a rear warning ESM pod (a good idea since you deleted the gun.) how about faring that tail stinger too? That square it will be a drag point as the slipstream comes off the tail control.


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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: August 20th, 2015, 1:45 pm
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Why not show us what you mean Tobius?

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Post subject: Re: FD Aircraft design challengePosted: August 20th, 2015, 1:57 pm
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adenandy wrote:
Why not show us what you mean Tobius?
You want it in mathematics? It's another man's art and he asked for a few suggestions. Unless I get his direct permission, I'm not going to monkey with his work in illustration when he can either accept or reject suggestions based on his own judgment.

I have enough to handle with my own.


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