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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 12th, 2013, 10:18 pm
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Superb artwork ;)


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 13th, 2013, 1:11 pm
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This is the original design of the Blackburn B.48 Firecrest. It originally had the cockpit quite far forward and contra-rotating propellers. There were also detail differences with the tailfin and rudder.
It was planned to build Napier Sabre powered prototypes but the forward engine position was too far ahead of the centre of gravity. It was then planned to move the Sabre behind the cockpit (like the early Wyvern) but this would have entailed too much redesign work so the Sabre was dropped. I have not found any drawings of the Sabre configurations.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 13th, 2013, 3:22 pm
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That's excellent! :)


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 24th, 2013, 3:28 pm
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One version of the BAC 1-11 suggested as an AEW aircraft. The radar would probably have been the US APS-125 system from the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye.
To me this looks a pretty draggy system and other versions with British-developed radars had nose and tail randomes. But as a cheap 'n' cheerful design this could have been pretty good for the 1970s, though range would probably have needed augmenting for long patrols.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 24th, 2013, 4:15 pm
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Very interesting! :)


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 25th, 2013, 3:40 am
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It's not as draggy as you think, actually. At least on the E-3s and the various Il-76 based AEW platforms.


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 26th, 2013, 10:35 am
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Although not strictly speaking a design for British use, BAC did offer a version of the BAC 1-11 to Japan to fulfil their P-XL requirement to replace their licence-built Lockheed Neptune fleet, which was eventually filled by licence-manufacture of the Lockheed P-3. The 1-11 probably didn't stand much of a chance given the penetration of US manufacturers in Japan and the slightly lash-up nature of this design with a towed MAD and two booster engines added underwing.
The RAF by this time had the Nimrod, so no British use was likely.

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Klag, true but the E-3 was not a T-tail aircraft, the A-50 had some aerodynamic issues with the its randome affecting the early days. I think a lot of wind tunnel work would have been needed, though adding bulbous nose and tail randomes would have just as tricky and of course electronically difficult as the Nimrod 3 programme proved.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 26th, 2013, 10:38 am
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Love The 2 what if Ideas By B.A.C there Hood :D

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 26th, 2013, 2:14 pm
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Excellent work!


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: October 28th, 2013, 2:57 pm
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A Fairey Gannet AEW proposal with a dorsal rotodome.

This is an actual Fairey proposal for what became the AEW.3 with a dorsal rotodome but in the event the APS.20 from the Skyraider fleet was recycled and improved.

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