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Author:  Psilander [ September 13th, 2010, 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
ALVAMA wrote:
What can I say? excellent!!
Thanks...but some discussion regarding the ships layout or looks should be more useful
Author:  Novice [ September 13th, 2010, 8:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Even though I like the look of the Axel von Fersen, I would say that the secondaries (105mm) are badly placed and too few. Instead of only 6 guns, 8 or even 10 would be more appropriate, with emphsis on the forward end of the ship See below
Author:  Psilander [ September 13th, 2010, 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Interesting...now I cant find her in SS to try to sim that layout...

or maybe skip the 105mm in all and add an extra 152mm mount but I think that would be to anachronistic
Author:  Novice [ September 14th, 2010, 11:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Hmm... a third 152mm turret midships, above the two 105mm casement-guns, and then remove those forward. You will have 6 152mm gun turrets ( 3 each side) and 6 105mm casement-guns, 2 on each side forward and 1 each side aft.
Author:  Psilander [ September 14th, 2010, 1:59 pm ]
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I doubt there will be enough hull strength to keep the 105mm guns if you ad 2 extra 152mm turrets amidships.
Author:  Psilander [ September 26th, 2010, 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
This is the HSwMS Spica, an late 19th century protected patrolcruiser intented for colonial policing and convoy escort.

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Spica (Sirius, Capella, Castor, Vega, Virgo, Aldebaran, Rigel)
Sweden
Cruiser laid down 1884

Displacement:
1 984 t light; 2 069 t standard; 2 348 t normal; 2 572 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
311,68 ft / 311,68 ft x 32,81 ft x 16,40 ft (normal load)
95,00 m / 95,00 m x 10,00 m x 5,00 m

Armament:
2 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 97,51lbs / 44,23kg shells, 1884 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 32,14lbs / 14,58kg shells, 1884 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
8 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,14lbs / 2,33kg shells, 1884 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all forward
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
6 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns (4 mounts), 5,14lbs / 2,33kg shells, 1884 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,43lbs / 0,20kg shells, 1884 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 397 lbs / 180 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 15,0" / 380 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,76" / 70 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m
Ends: 1,38" / 35 mm 59,06 ft / 18,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m
36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1,38" / 35 mm 181,27 ft / 55,25 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,39" / 10 mm - 0,98" / 25 mm
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm - 0,98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,59" / 15 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 156 ihp / 2 354 Kw = 16,00 kts
Range 3 300nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 503 tons)

Complement:
168 - 219

Cost:
£0,198 million / $0,792 million
Author:  dc1 [ September 26th, 2010, 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Cute..

I have to ask about the arnament. To me, the 6 inchers seem to be placed a little high in the mount. It might be somewhat hard to handload them..

And the 57mm. are they hidden? Can´t see them. Or is it those small deckmounts on the gangway?
Author:  Psilander [ September 27th, 2010, 5:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
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I have to ask about the arnament. To me, the 6 inchers seem to be placed a little high in the mount. It might be somewhat hard to handload them..
hmm...when looking at them, yes, maybe.
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And the 57mm. are they hidden? Can´t see them. Or is it those small deckmounts on the gangway?
Yes...and there should be some in casemates hidden below the raised foredeck aswell. But I dout they could be of any good use there.
Author:  Psilander [ November 14th, 2010, 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
This is the RSwN´s first destroyers the A and B types. The B-type is just a lengthend A-type to accomodated more torpedoes and an all 75mm gun arnament.

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A-class, Sweden Torpedoboat-Destroyer laid down 1900

Displacement:
321 t light; 333 t standard; 338 t normal; 342 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
206,18 ft / 203,41 ft x 19,69 ft x 9,84 ft (normal load)
62,84 m / 62,00 m x 6,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1898 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,57lbs / 2,53kg shells, 1889 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 48 lbs / 22 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
2 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 519 ihp / 5 609 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 1500nm at 8,00 kts (Bunkerage = 100 tons)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
39 - 51

Cost:
£0,046 million / $0,182 million
Author:  ALVAMA [ November 14th, 2010, 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
That Looks like THE destroyers of that time!!
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