the last wooden clippers. or in other words, the early clippers, before iron came into use
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| Author: | Razgriz BSG-27 [ July 14th, 2012, 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
How , large could someone make a ship with period materials, but modern knowledge of shipbuilding and naval architecture etc., or rather how many guns could a ship carry and still be relatively fast say about 15 knots I am led to believe this comes down almost entirely to hull design |
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| Author: | Thiel [ July 15th, 2012, 1:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
In the world of traditional sailing 15kt is drag-racing fast. You might be able to achieve it in a large frigate. A ship of the line would be lucky to achieve six. |
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| Author: | klagldsf [ July 15th, 2012, 1:57 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail | |
How , large could someone make a ship with period materials, but modern knowledge of shipbuilding and naval architecture etc.,
It's not so much the knowledge but the materials, so basically you're going to end up with a period frigate regardless.
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| Author: | Razgriz BSG-27 [ July 15th, 2012, 2:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
okay |
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| Author: | Rodondo [ July 15th, 2012, 7:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
As said before a frigate is the best bet for `~15knots,any faster and a armed clipper would be more likely |
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| Author: | acelanceloet [ July 15th, 2012, 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
also, the amount of guns is exactly the factor this ship would have to be based on. in the age of sail, the privateers were able to fight off merchants, but were too fast to be catched by a frigate. a frigate would not stand a chance against a ship of the line, but was fast enough to outmanoeuvre and outrun it. an ship of the line could deal an massive blow, but would have been to slow to catch the before 2 in a 1vs1 fight. for the limits on sailing ship designs, you should look at the last wooden clippers. those were the limit to what was possible with those materials, both in size and in speed. |
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| Author: | Thiel [ July 15th, 2012, 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
Well actually, the clippers were composite ships. Iron keels and frames with wooden planking. Also, cross bracing was invented in the early parts of the 19th century which is why the Jylland is 20m longer than the Victory, despite the fact that they're build using the same materials. |
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| Author: | acelanceloet [ July 15th, 2012, 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
the last wooden clippers. or in other words, the early clippers, before iron came into use
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| Author: | Thiel [ July 15th, 2012, 1:11 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail | |
the last wooden clippers. or in other words, the early clippers, before iron came into use
But they wouldn't have been strong enough to carry anything heavier than a token handful of insurance gunsWith iron framing you might be able to carry a few useful guns on a clipper type ship. |
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| Author: | acelanceloet [ July 15th, 2012, 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Size relative to speed , in the age of sail |
correct. which brings us back at what I said earlier: you can have the guns or the speed, not both  we are really speeking the same language here thiel
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