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Looking good JSB, however I believe the casemates would be removed or plated over by 1941, if I'm not mistaken

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My 'plan' was to have somebody in the RN decide to keep Tiger and work on it slowly to modify her to ready to be rebuilt and reused (so slowly add useful stuff under the pretence of training ).

Ok I agree that's not really accurate so her is my next try,
1) Ok agree with you 2 x (8x40mm) is to good /expensive for 30's (swapped with .5's )
2) Do I really need directors as I have a HACS (only 1 for the 4inch guns to cut cost) down to 3, 4 inch guns to cut cost ) ? I would think 40mm will be visual only in 30's ?
3) Do I need more funnels ? we are only going for a slow ship (18Kn if that ? I think 1 gives it a more training look.) rather than 28Kn should not need much power ?
4) Cut out cost by doing less (just blocking off 6inch guns, kept the 2 driest each side for training)
5) Where are the torpedoes ? (Tiger had some but cant see them on Jabbas original and didn't add them) I would also remove all of them.



Yes I like reusing turret for a turntable (saves cost and allows you to keep more of the barbet in place )

JSB

I am sooo not impressed. Nothing here so far has made keeping Tiger over Iron Duke worthwhile. Make Tiger a valuable fleet unit or scrap her. The twin 4" mountings are going to be decimated by muzzle blast as soon as the fore and main batteries fire athwartships. Nothing has been done to improve her main armament fire control. Her HA fire control remains suspect. You have to know what your doing before you begin screwing around with Tiger. And of course, there's Repulse, even more deserving of a Renown-style rebuild. Better make it good, JSB.

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I don't really understand what you want ?
She will always be worse than Repulse or (Hood!) so that puts a top limit on cost of rebuild.
Iron Duke was effectively worthless in WW2 (she had nothing better than a R class, at least tiger has speed even if she is no better in any other way)
With the limit set above she is never going to beat any real BB but she should be able to kill any 8inch and be a heavy fast escort for CV's etc, as Iron Duke was effectively worthless the opportunity cost of keeping her is not much ?

SO - my rebuild (although I would like one more like your pic) is realistically going to be cheap and dirty.
- new boilers for high speed (and to replace ones taken out by treaty, this is the biggest cost I think)
- 4 inch twins are cheap (and RN made lots) as are 20mm's
- limited directors etc
- only a limited plating in of the bridge/centre section and funnel (cheap can be done afloat at any yard (even civilian) no really heavy stuff to move like armour etc ).

Would this really cost to much to get a 4th BC (admittedly a week one but will kill any CA or Deutschland raider etc).

Thanks JSB

PS:
any worse than her older HA mounts ? (admittedly I have removed the casements, I'm thinking of leaving a few and or removing the centre rear most 4 inch (ie 4 of 5 from bow) as it will be worst affected.

Cost ! not all QE's / R's got new directors (but will add some radar on)
Cost ! not all QE's / R's got new directors ? and is 2 HACS really that bad ? With ( 20 4 inch + 16 40mm + 16 20mm ) she's not a bad AA fit for 41?

JSB, the problem with retaining Tiger is that we'd have to scrap Iron Duke and pull the teeth out of one of the 'R' class BBs or, simply scrap an 'R' to satisfy the terms of the London Naval Disarmament Treaty. Therefore, I maintain only a full rebuild of Tiger would justify such a drastic action. Then, as you have said, there's the omni-present problem of funding. And, even if another couple of million pounds could have been found it would probably have gone to Repulse or another 'QE' class. Either way, keeping Tiger around in any state of modernisation is rather implausible to say the least, but it is fun to toss history and the Exchequer to the winds and speculate the heck out of a Tiger rebuild.

We even went so far as to have Tiger rebuilt in a US yard:

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Mike your udeniably more knowledgeable then me on this subject, but historically the cast mates on British battleships were removed not left in during the war. Also, having a catapult on top of a turret is far from ideal. The debris that would fly from the aircraft stored on it and the catapult itself if it during battle (which happened often in World War Two) would make for flying shrapnel for the crew and could also get stuck in the turret ring limiting its fields of fire. It's not a huge problem and hindsight is 20/20 but during World War Two most ships with such an arrangement had already had it removed or changed or modified during the war. Pre war it's a vey sensible modification but I think it would be removed sometime during World War Two during a future refit at the very least. Many British cruisers saw similar removals for extra AA and I think Tiger should do the same if not in 1941(for it might be too early) then later.

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