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Erusia Force
Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 2:45 am
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erik_t wrote:
I suggest the fitting of a reusable bow.
Im sorry, but I have no idea of what that means. Is my bow disposable like a BIC?


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 2:49 am
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Colosseum wrote:
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Aside from the glaring problems pointed out by other members, I think it definitely has that "cool" look to it.

The fact that it has 3D radars and missiles means it has no elan, but it's still cool to look at.
How would you suggest I improve this problem?
Remove all weapon systems that aren't main battery turrets or crew-served anti-aircraft guns, remove all fancy radars, remove helicopters and ship seaplanes.

Done diddly done.
So you essentially mean turn it into a WW2 era ship and remove all of the modern fancy gadgets in order to put it into a time where it would look the best?


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 3:14 am
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Erusia Force wrote:
erik_t wrote:
I suggest the fitting of a reusable bow.
Im sorry, but I have no idea of what that means. Is my bow disposable like a BIC?
Since you will drop your anchors right through it, yes. You have a single-use bow.


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 3:21 am
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not unless it is in heavy seas or at a tilt. Like what is seen on limits class carriers, the bulbous bow is rather narrow in width and the anchor births are spread out farther apart than what meets the eye in a side profile. If the ship were pitching in the water, then yes there you be a mother of a hole. I guess a lot of the problems that people have with my ship is the lack of a forward, vertical, and rear profile to put everything in perspective.


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 4:18 am
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No, it's because you draw something by the seat of your pants and then tend to invent quasi-magical reasons why it would work after the fact.


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 4:43 am
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erik_t wrote:
No, it's because you draw something by the seat of your pants and then tend to invent quasi-magical reasons why it would work after the fact.
If that were the fact, I would have not removed the central main anchor on the forward most part of the bow now would I. However i can see your argument and will honor your greater experience.


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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 5:30 am
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I am still really doubted about the container ship hull you have here. the buld doesn't look that good either.
Alright, so it needs some major revising in shading and perhaps a little more TLC. But in my defense, daring to be innovative is a positive thing. I understand that many who view this are deeply enveloped within modern systems and practices, and I thank you for your input. However, do consider that this particular ship is not only meant to participate in shore bombardment: It is also meant to be a fleet command center, with provisions to defend itself. While I have put considerable effort into the design to make it work, it does have flaws, as do ALL ships, including the lightly armored frigates and destroyers of the modern navy.
in your defence? what you describe describes.... well something that would NOT need this hull
for battleship class guns, you need an large beam. ok. I suppose you have that.
now, your hull shape shows that you have that large beam part for..... two thirds of the ships hull. this makes an extremely wide stern, an extremely stumpy bow, and an displacement about twice that of an Iowa class. I suppose you will need at least twice the reactors of an nimitz class, and 3 or maybe 4 times those of an kirov. the bulb.... what the hell do you want with it? I have never seen anything like that before, it is huge but (if your anchor really drops next to it) only about 1-2 meters wide. which.... well..... makes it useless, an waste of metal.
[ img ] this is a lot more like what you need.
no bulb, the widest point of the ship being in the middle of the bilge keel, and the bilge keel with an strong curve, showing the curvature of the water flow around the ship. and that is done WITHOUT all the excessive shading you used.

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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 4:47 pm
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So, essentially you mean something like this?

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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 5:32 pm
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I'd just like to know what all the nonsense you've put onto the bottom of the hull is.

Or do you not know? A big fault of many drawings here is the "I'll put lines here because it looks cool", without really knowing what you're trying to draw.
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So you essentially mean turn it into a WW2 era ship and remove all of the modern fancy gadgets in order to put it into a time where it would look the best?
In order to put it in a time where its existence makes sense in the first place.

I'm still not disputing the fact that just off the bat this ship has a definite "cool factor" to it. I think you are a fine artist but there is definitely some room for improvement. I think following the direction of the folks who know a lot about it (ace and erik_t) could really make this thing outstanding. I like the feel of a Kirov rocket cruiser concept built on an Iowa size hull.

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Post subject: Re: BBGMN-029 Royal Sovereign H-11 classPosted: April 26th, 2012, 6:04 pm
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Colosseum wrote:
I'd just like to know what all the nonsense you've put onto the bottom of the hull is.

Or do you not know? A big fault of many drawings here is the "I'll put lines here because it looks cool", without really knowing what you're trying to draw.
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So you essentially mean turn it into a WW2 era ship and remove all of the modern fancy gadgets in order to put it into a time where it would look the best?
In order to put it in a time where its existence makes sense in the first place.

I'm still not disputing the fact that just off the bat this ship has a definite "cool factor" to it. I think you are a fine artist but there is definitely some room for improvement. I think following the direction of the folks who know a lot about it (ace and erik_t) could really make this thing outstanding. I like the feel of a Kirov rocket cruiser concept built on an Iowa size hull.
What the curves on the bottom are: water venting systems to suppy the reactors, reinforced keel, torpedo bulges, and extra sonar euipment. I am not trying tosimply make it look cool, I am trying to make it work to the extent of my understanding. Granted it may not actually be good at all, I really would like your advice, just please do not accuse me of being an illogical artist. I have been dealing with physical models most of my life.


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