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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 9th, 2013, 7:23 pm
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Tounushifan wrote:
I typed in "Colosseum Brooke Class" into google and it was the second picture.

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Some French site chopped everyone's name off of the credits. But it says "Brooke" on it.
That particular site, removes the credits from the drawings, but adds them below the image including a link to Shipbucket as seen from the image below
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Yes, but this is also not an acceptable method for crediting as it does not follow the Fair Use Agreement. ;)

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 9th, 2013, 8:47 pm
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I know Colo, it's just that, that this particular site gives some form of credit (even if it's in the wrong way), as most sites don't even bother with that.
As for drawing from a picture, it is rather hard, as you need the picture from a very specific angle (a broadside view, a 90 degree angle) which usually distorts the ends of the ship being photographed.
The best way is indeed GA plans or other line drawings of your subject matter

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 10th, 2013, 1:36 pm
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I cant believe what I'm seeing in these two pictures.....

http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/im ... 100433.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/im ... 100405.jpg

they used the talbot as a MK-92 GFCS and OTO 76 test platform. Very cool. I never knew this. Whats realy wierd is that they put the ship back to original layout after testing...why? why not just leave it with the new gun and FCS since you took the time to install it all.....

anyway, has anybody draw this ship with this layout? if not then I can draw something no one has drawn...that would be some kind of miracle around here haha ;-)


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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 10th, 2013, 1:44 pm
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there is quite a lot not drawn..... every DD between gearing and spruance, for example, IIRC.

anyways, I suppose they reverted it because of maintenance problems, the fact that it had no longer use for it's helideck in it's setup and because the setup chosen was favorable for testing but not for operational use ;)

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 10th, 2013, 2:56 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
there is quite a lot not drawn..... every DD between gearing and spruance, for example, IIRC.

anyways, I suppose they reverted it because of maintenance problems, the fact that it had no longer use for it's helideck in it's setup and because the setup chosen was favorable for testing but not for operational use ;)

Thank you Ace, I shall draw it as they SHOULD have set it up then.......is this a free pass to "kit Bash" or will it still be looked at as unforgivable sin?

Also, I will look at the ships you mentioned as not being draw and see if any light my fire


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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 10th, 2013, 3:43 pm
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kitbashing is always allowed, kitbashing bad is wrong.
look at the RN AU: all of those are in effect modified variants of never build and real designs.
in the archive (you should check the forum and peoples worklist yourself) we miss the ships from DD-662 to DD-962. we also miss DDG-31 to DDG-47. I would suppose there would be some classes in between :P
if there would still be no light, I would like to point at the DE's and the DLG's, were some classes seem to be missing as well :P

now, never again say there are few undrawn ship classes, let alone the variations :P

EDIT: ow and, we are still recruiting people for work on the USN carriers, as the drawings we had were so wrong they were removed from the main site....... but the people who would do them (including myself) lack the time, knowledge, interest or some other factor that would make huge projects like carriers impossible to do alone.........

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 12th, 2013, 1:47 am
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ok here's what I've got so far. I'm basing this off of the pictures I linked to above except I'm drawing the way I would have outfitted her out had I been in charge. I'm going to keep rolling with this with the assumption that the navy was going to use this ship as a test platform for other systems in the future.

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Not finished yet, just posting for guidance and thoughts. One thing that's been bugging me are the bitts. They are to big. I know I'm new and I'm bound by my newness to say and ask stupid things but I've made the one between the pepperbox and the gun mount just a wee bit smaller and I think it still looks good. I don't want to rock the boat :| per say, but those take up a lot of room on a small ship like this one.

Anyway all comments, sarcastic or otherwise greatly appreciated

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 12th, 2013, 7:50 am
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which bits do you mean? the mooring gear? if it is.....
yes, those can be too big. just draw what you see on the real thing, and base it on that. it is possible the ones on the part sheet are a bit too big for this ship, which would result in them being different on the real ship. as long as you do changes like that with a good reason, no one will blame you for that ;)

also, the STIR would replace the aft director, not the forward one. the WM egg would replace the forward director. (in role at least)
in position it would depend on the cables already present and the radar line of sight.

if you would truly go for an perry test ship, you might as well fit the SPS-49. I highly doubt though if she would still carry the NDB ASROC.

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 12th, 2013, 8:51 am
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I guess I don't see a reason to not draw it as the ship really was used as a test platform.

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Post subject: Re: USS Tablot (FFG-4)Posted: July 12th, 2013, 3:52 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
which bits do you mean? the mooring gear? if it is.....
yes, those can be too big. just draw what you see on the real thing, and base it on that. it is possible the ones on the part sheet are a bit too big for this ship, which would result in them being different on the real ship. as long as you do changes like that with a good reason, no one will blame you for that ;)

also, the STIR would replace the aft director, not the forward one. the WM egg would replace the forward director. (in role at least)
in position it would depend on the cables already present and the radar line of sight.

if you would truly go for an perry test ship, you might as well fit the SPS-49. I highly doubt though if she would still carry the NDB ASROC.

Thank you again Ace. Your thought pattern mirrors mine. I plan on replacing the pepper box with the MK-13.
What I didn't know what that the egg replaced the director, but now that I think about it the Pegasus class has only the egg. thank you for pointing that out to this former "FC" who should have known that


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