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DaisyDuke
Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 1:58 pm
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its like a Tychonderoga version or whatever you call it when you make a cruiser out of a frigate

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:00 pm
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eswube wrote:
They were really planning to do a ship with such weird superstructure/radar/mast arrangement? :? Ooops... my bad. :oops:
As I note in the ship's thread she was a mathematical baseline for the modeling of subsequent design proposals. She was literally a Tico's equipment laid out to Burke Standards. If not for one painting that's spread around the internet, she'd be an unknown.
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I got this ship lines from secrectprojects where I am a longtime member

Burke parts are to save money and time due to urgency
Look at the name of the guy that posted the profile there.

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:03 pm
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did you draw that

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:06 pm
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DaisyDuke wrote:
its like a Tychonderoga version or whatever you call it when you make a cruiser out of a frigate
I guess you are pointing at the ticonderoga class AEGIS cruiser, which was build on what was in basic an spruance class ASW destroyer hull. this redesign was not cheap, not quick, and not easy. it was an complete redesign of the ship apart from the hull hydrodynamics and propulsion systems.

for building an design based around CGBL, this would be an redesign on all apart from the combat system and (part of) the propulsion system. using a few burke parts is not gonna change that, the only part where you could try to save cost is on the underwater hull, as was done in the abovementioned ticonderoga class. and even then it is more expensive then just keeping (and maybe improving, like the burke family proves currently) an existing design.

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:07 pm
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DaisyDuke wrote:
its like a Tychonderoga version or whatever you call it when you make a cruiser out of a frigate
It's "Ticonderoga". And it's not "a cruiser out of a frigate".
1) Tico's design was based on Spruance class destroyers and initially they were supposed to be classed as destroyers too, naming Ticonderoga's cruisers was largely a political decision.
2) Historically speaking "cruiser out of a frigate" is how it was done - but in slightly different meaning.
In the age of sail "frigates" (and several other classes) were termed "cruising ships" based on their role. Due to changes in ship design after introduction of steam propulsiont frigates evolved into cruisers and term "frigate" fell then into disuse. It was reintroduced in Great Britain during World War 2, but this time it meant a category of escort ships. USA had different view on it, however and they started using the term after WW2 for newly built cruiser/destroyer-leader sized ships and only in 1975 they renamed them "cruisers".

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:09 pm
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what parts are you talking about

have you seen the drawing/

the parts are the same or antennas

what parts are you talking about

have you seen the drawing/

the parts are the same or antennas

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:12 pm
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reread what I wrote. you seem to have misunderstood.

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DaisyDuke
Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:17 pm
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parts that are the same are the stacks but casings are slightly different and the front machine gun just like on the original drawing

BURK bridge was used because original drawing was stupid with no visibility

do you design new sat domes for each ship

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 2:35 pm
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After praying about it I have made credits for the bridge and dome

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Post subject: Re: confedrate historyPosted: November 25th, 2012, 5:10 pm
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From comparing the two drawings (Tim's CGBL and this one), it doesn't appear to me that he actually lifted the old CGBL. Rather that he used as a reference for drawing his own version.

In which case, no credits to Tim are required, and no permission from Tim is required for daisyduke to draw this ship. Please remember that ALL shipbucket content, regardless of who draws it, is liable to be used by others if the correct template and crediting is followed. Artists do not get a 'veto' towards others using their ships, ESPECIALLY as references... as has happened here.

And let's be real Tim, if you had spent all the time drawing that you spend on bellyaching about exams, recoloring the US flag on all my drawings just to piss me off, or logging your moderating actions into an Excel spreadsheet, the original CGBL would have been done a week after you started it!

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