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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 12th, 2012, 5:03 pm
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The aft 44cm guns should be mounted directly on the deck, no need to have it raised.
I was actually thinking of putting a seaplane catapult back there, but I'm kind of having second thoughts about that now
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This is purely aesthetical, but I think you could make the B-deck run through the entire superstructure, instead of cutting it in two by the aft funnel.
Speaking of which, I think you could raise the funnel a bit.
That yellow firefighting gear on the wall of the C-deck should be two pixels above the deck's bottom.
Wouldn't that effectively remove the third set of boats?
As for the funnel, is this an aesthetical thing? Because I kind of want to keep the aft funnel lower than the fore one, it fits better with the design IMO. Firefighting things will be moved.
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A suggestion is that you change one of your smaller boats for a larger one, since this was a very usual feature on warships of the time(still is)
by smaller boats do you mean the rafts next to the DP's, or the boats midship?
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And yes, you could replace the searchlight for a director! I suggest that you place another searchlight by the fore funnel to compensate for this.
Another suggestion for placing directors is this:
Move the E-deck AA gun aft, perhaps even to the aft edge of said deck. Place a DP director where the gun was first mounted.
You could also place some AA guns on top of the B and X turrets.
1) I'll think about that
2) This actually sounds a better compromise than 1), doesn't it? Allows 2 more DP directors, right?
3) I'm not sure the quad-AA's would make sense there :lol:. I want the entire ship pretty much standardised, one caliber AA, one caliber DP, one main (now that the aft guns are taken care of) if thats possible
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Remove the AA gun on top of the B deck, and place a director in it's place.
quite a few AA guns on B deck, I'm guessing you mean the aft-most one, right under the aft DP director unless I'm misunderstanding the entire concept of alphabetical decks :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 12th, 2012, 7:28 pm
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Chz wrote:
I was actually thinking of putting a seaplane catapult back there, but I'm kind of having second thoughts about that now
If you put the catapult at stern, you won't have to raise the 44cm turret, since it will be quite a distance between them. A catapult would make perfect sence. :)
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Wouldn't that effectively remove the third set of boats?
As for the funnel, is this an aesthetical thing? Because I kind of want to keep the aft funnel lower than the fore one, it fits better with the design IMO. Firefighting things will be moved.
by smaller boats do you mean the rafts next to the DP's, or the boats midship?
You can always move the third set up one deck. ;)
I agree about different sized funnels, it does look good. You don't need to raise them to the same level, but I do suggest that you heighten the aft funnel about 10-15 pixels. I think it will look better, but it's of cource up to you. :)
And I'm meaning the boats midships. For purely aestethical reasons I suggest you swap the higher one.
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I'm not sure the quad-AA's would make sense there . I want the entire ship pretty much standardised, one caliber AA, one caliber DP, one main (now that the aft guns are taken care of) if thats possible
Well, historicaly, that's not something very usual. Most ships would carry several AA guns of several calibers. One example is the Sverige class CDS(and she was about 7000 tons), which carried a mixed AA battery of 75mm, 40mm, 25mm, and 20mm guns. Main and secondary artilleries should be kept at single calibers, but AA guns were usually a quite colorful mix of different calibers, so for the sake of realism, I suggest you add at least one more AA gun caliber. The more regular battleship-outfit was typicaly a mix of 40mm and 25mm guns.
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quite a few AA guns on B deck, I'm guessing you mean the aft-most one, right under the aft DP director unless I'm misunderstanding the entire concept of alphabetical decks
Woops... yup, you're entirely right! Good thing you keep your wits about when I don't! ;) :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 12th, 2012, 8:14 pm
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KHT wrote:
If you put the catapult at stern, you won't have to raise the 44cm turret, since it will be quite a distance between them. A catapult would make perfect sence. :)
Right then, I'll try that out
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You can always move the third set up one deck. ;)
And I'm meaning the boats midships. For purely aestethical reasons I suggest you swap the higher one.
Wouldn't that cause more problem, ie. getting them into the water?
Swap them into what, any suggestions?
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Well, historicaly, that's not something very usual. Most ships would carry several AA guns of several calibers. One example is the Sverige class CDS(and she was about 7000 tons), which carried a mixed AA battery of 75mm, 40mm, 25mm, and 20mm guns. Main and secondary artilleries should be kept at single calibers, but AA guns were usually a quite colorful mix of different calibers, so for the sake of realism, I suggest you add at least one more AA gun caliber. The more regular battleship-outfit was typicaly a mix of 40mm and 25mm guns.
This isn't particularly "historical" nor "realistic" (technically, the GDH is a 21st century country still stuck, at best, in the 1950s. With, of course, a mindset from the 1910s!). The current quads are 30mm, what caliber should the other guns be? I'm not sure where'd I place larger caliber AA's :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 12th, 2012, 8:29 pm
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(technically, the GDH is a 21st century country still stuck, at best, in the 1950s. With, of course, a mindset from the 1910s!)
If that's the case then your Battleship will last about a minute it's first and only battle because any sea battle in the 21st century is only missile spam.


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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 13th, 2012, 6:44 am
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Well, I for one would like to hold of at the AU discussion for now: the ship is what's important for now.
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Wouldn't that cause more problem, ie. getting them into the water?
Swap them into what, any suggestions?
Not with a long crane like that. :)
Otherwise, if that isn't to your liking, I would suggest raising the deck there, and then make a "dip" into the superstructure to accommodate for said boat.
Well, you're free to use another one of my drawings. ;)
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Otherwise, you can always search the parts sheets. Word of warning though, I suggest you search the forum, and not the main site for the parts sheets, since the ones on the main site hasn't been updated for a while.
And, you can of cource look at other battleships and scavange them for boats. I think it's safe to say that's what we all did at the start. ;)
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This isn't particularly "historical" nor "realistic" (technically, the GDH is a 21st century country still stuck, at best, in the 1950s. With, of course, a mindset from the 1910s!). The current quads are 30mm, what caliber should the other guns be? I'm not sure where'd I place larger caliber AA's
Ok, I won't comment on the "historical" part in that case, but people probably will, just so you know. Know that this might become messy, becouse people at the 'bucket don't usually take kindly to mixing eras, so it's always preferable to stay in one historical period.
But, back to the AA calibre. If you use 30mm, I'd suggest 20mm as a smaller caliber, probably in twin mounts. Possibly throw in a doozen 75mm guns, but it's deffinately not necessary. And for placement: Anywhere you can fit them! Many ships had at least one AA gun fittet to the top of the B and X turrets of the main artillery. One could always place a multitude of them on the deck, and so on.


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Post subject: Re: Littorio-y BB designPosted: September 13th, 2012, 12:09 pm
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APDAF wrote:
If that's the case then your Battleship will last about a minute it's first and only battle because any sea battle in the 21st century is only missile spam.
>implying any other battleship would do any better
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Otherwise, if that isn't to your liking, I would suggest raising the deck there, and then make a "dip" into the superstructure to accommodate for said boat.
Well, you're free to use another one of my drawings. ;)
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I'll try that then
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becouse people at the 'bucket don't usually take kindly to mixing eras, so it's always preferable to stay in one historical period.
late 1940s/early 1950s with mig15's, at worst :v
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But, back to the AA calibre. If you use 30mm, I'd suggest 20mm as a smaller caliber, probably in twin mounts.
Okay. I'll think about the 75mm too.


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