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Author:  Naixoterk [ July 29th, 2014, 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Help me identifying these airplanes please
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I found an image about the evolution of Argentine Air Force from 1867 to 1945 but unfortunately i couldn't get it in a proper size to make them easily identifiable, that's why i ask this forum for help.

From left to right, going column by column and skipping the balloons:
(The ones marked with a question mark mean that i'm not very sure)
  • First column:
    • 1. Antoinette VII
      2. Santos Dumont Demoiselle
      3. Nieuport IIG
      4. Farman F.III
    Second column
    • 1. Unknown
      2. Bleriot XI
      3. Unknown
      4. Bleriot XI bis
    Third Column
    • 1. Nieuport IVG or a Morane-Saulnier H
      2. Unknown
      3. Unknown (it seems familiar though)
      4. Etrich Taube
    Fourth Column
    • 1.Morane-Saulnier N
      2. Morane-Saulnier L
      3. Voisin III?
      4. Caudron G.3
    Fifth Column
    • 1. SPAD S.XIII?
      2. SPAD S.VII
      3. Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard?
      4. Avro 504k
    Sixth Column
    • 1. Bristol F.2B
      2.Unknown
      3. Unknown
      4. Unknown
    Seventh Column
    • 1. Morane-Saulnier AI? AKA Morane Saulnier 29/30
      2. The Red racing hydroplane: Fokker D.VII?
      3. Unknown
      3. Breguet Br.19
    Eighth Column
    • 1. Vickers Vicking Amphibian
      2. Unknown
      3. Avro 504K
      4. Unknown
    Ninth Column
    • 1. Nieuport Delage Nid. 42?
      2. Dewoitine D.21
      3. Junkers F.13
      4. Junkers F.13
    Tenth Column
    • 1. Avro 504K
      2. Unknown (seems very familiar though)
      3. Unknown (seems very familiar though)
      4. Avro 621/626?
    Eleventh column
    • 1. FMA AE C.1 Triplaza
      2. Junkers G.24?
      3. Junkers G.24?
      4. Unknown
    Twelfth column
    • 1. FMA AE. T1
      2. Unknown
      3. FMA Ae. C.1
      4. FMA AeC.2
    Thirteenth column
    • 1. Avro Prefect
      2. FMA AE. M. S.1
      3. FMA AeMB.2 Bombi
      4. FMA Ae.MO1 and/or Ae.MO2
    Fourteenth column
    • 1. FMA AE. C.4
      2. FMA AE. C.3-G
      3. Curtiss BF2C Goshawk
      4. Curtiss BF2C Goshawk
    Fifteenth Column
    • 1. Unknown. It's a trainer, that's for sure
      2. Martin B.10
      3. North American NA-16
      4. Unknown
    Sixteenth column
    • 1.Lockheed L-12 Electra Junior
      2. Lockheed L-10 Electra
      3. Focke-Wulf Fw 58
      4. Focke-Wulf Fw 44
    Seventeenth column
    • 1. FMA 20 El Boyero
      2. Cierva C.30
      3. Dewoitine D.332
      4. Junkers Ju.52?
    Eighteenth column
    • 1. I.Ae. 21
      2. Dewoitine D.338
      3. Curtiss P-36 Hawk
      4. Douglas DC-3/C-47
    Nineteenth column
    • 1. I.Ae.22 DL
      2. Unknown
Author:  waritem [ July 29th, 2014, 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
i didn't checked all the planes but i can tell you yet the first one is a antoinette VII and the last trimotor is a Dewoitine D.338,the previous one is probably a D.332, just behind a Focke-Wulf Fw 58.
Author:  Naixoterk [ July 29th, 2014, 7:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
^^ :D Yess thanks, now the first column is complete!
Author:  Colombamike [ July 29th, 2014, 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
Naixoterk wrote:
unfortunately i couldn't get it in a proper size to make them easily identifiable
Better ?
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:?
:mrgreen:
Author:  heuhen [ July 29th, 2014, 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
I'll bet you know witch one is an douglas...
Author:  Hood [ July 29th, 2014, 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
Some of the biplanes look familiar but at this small scale its hard to be certain

I've been able to identify most of the Argentine-built aircraft from a source I have.

Fifth column 3. might be a Martinside F.4 Buzzard
Sixth column 1. is most likely a Bristol F.2B
Eighth column 1. definitely not an S.55, I'm pretty sure this is the Vickers Viking amphibian
Ninth column 2. Dewoitine D.21, 3. FMA AE C.1 Triplaza 4. might be another Junkers? Looks very much like the F.13 but with a different tail - W.33 perhaps?
Twelfth column 1. FMA AE. T1, 3 or 4 might be the FMA AE. C.1 Prototipo and/or AE. C.2
Thirteenth column 1. might be the Avro Prefect, 3. might be FMA AE. M. S.1,4. FMA Ae.MO1 and/or Ae.MO2
Fourteenth column 1. FMA AE. C.4, 2. is FMA AE. C.3-G, 3 & 4. those aren't Grumman Ducks but Curtiss Hawk dive-bombers
Fifteenth column 3. looks like a North American NA-16
Sixteenth column 1. Lockheed Junior? 2. Lockheed 12? (certainly not an Airspeed type as it has twin fins), 4. Fw44
Seventeeth column 1. looks like a I.Ae. 20 El Boyero
Eighteen and Nineteen 1. look identical at this scale, eighteen 1. is probably I.Ae. 21 and nineteen 1. the I.Ae.22 DL trainer
Author:  Naixoterk [ July 29th, 2014, 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
Colombamike wrote:
Better ?
Thanks for the effort but it doesn't really help because the letters telling the name of each airplane are barely readable.
heuhen wrote:
I'll bet you know witch one is an douglas...
I think that it's the one at the bottom right, and it's either a DC-2 or a DC-3...

Thanks hood! i'll update the list.
Author:  Colosseum [ July 29th, 2014, 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
That's because he just blew it up to a large resolution and posted it, because he's an idiot. ;)
Author:  eswube [ July 29th, 2014, 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
I think that last in third column is Etrich Taube (or one of it's copies).
I also believe that 1st in 3rd column is rather Morane H, and to me it's the 3/3 that looks more like Nieuport IV.
2/4 (plane/column) is Morane L Parasol. 1/4 could perhaps be Morane N, but wouldn't bet on it.
5th column - Nieuport twenty-something, SPAD, ??, Avro 504
6th column - Bristol Fighter, next two look Italian to me - check Pomillio or something like that.
Plane in top row between BrisFit and flying boat looks like Morane 29/30. Red hydroplane rather isn't D.VII, but could be Fokker.
Last in 8th and first and second in 9th column may be Dewoitine 21 and some relative of it (but don't ask me which is which).
Below them are two Junkers F-13, just with different tail arrangements (they had lots of them during their long and diverse service life - just check two first pages of Polish Wings).
From that point many of these aircraft are domestic Argentine designs, often look-alikes of European or US designs or their licence-models.
Biplane to the right of bottom Ju.F-13 is Avro 621/626.
To the right of B-10 is Lockheed L-10 Electra and above it L-12 Electra Junior.
Of the rest I'll try to think tomorrow maybe.
Author:  Naixoterk [ July 30th, 2014, 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help me identifying these airplanes please
eswube wrote:
I think that last in third column is Etrich Taube (or one of it's copies).
I also believe that 1st in 3rd column is rather Morane H, and to me it's the 3/3 that looks more like Nieuport IV.
2/4 (plane/column) is Morane L Parasol. 1/4 could perhaps be Morane N, but wouldn't bet on it.
5th column - Nieuport twenty-something, SPAD, ??, Avro 504
6th column - Bristol Fighter, next two look Italian to me - check Pomillio or something like that.
Plane in top row between BrisFit and flying boat looks like Morane 29/30. Red hydroplane rather isn't D.VII, but could be Fokker.
Last in 8th and first and second in 9th column may be Dewoitine 21 and some relative of it (but don't ask me which is which).
Below them are two Junkers F-13, just with different tail arrangements (they had lots of them during their long and diverse service life - just check two first pages of Polish Wings).
From that point many of these aircraft are domestic Argentine designs, often look-alikes of European or US designs or their licence-models.
Biplane to the right of bottom Ju.F-13 is Avro 621/626.
To the right of B-10 is Lockheed L-10 Electra and above it L-12 Electra Junior.
Of the rest I'll try to think tomorrow maybe.
Thanks Es! I've identified most of the planes, but however, it isn't the pomilio, i've looked and the manufacturer pomilio didn't manufacture any airplane for Argentina.
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