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Author:  Colombamike [ September 28th, 2013, 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Dutch Warships (current designs)
Edited, because I am a Frog
Author:  Thiel [ September 28th, 2013, 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
And once more not a pod in sight.
Author:  acelanceloet [ October 1st, 2013, 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
Colombamike wrote:
DAMEN

Strange to see that the Dutch COMMUNAUTY (very active on this forum), has not yet draw several current DAMEN designs...
very strange indeed, that the very active part of the dutch community on this forum has not yet drawn those. NOT.

first of all, quite a few of these are actually drawn. of the others, many have appeared quite recently.
many of these designs are unfinished even at the damen design itself until somebody actually orders them. it makes little sense to try to draw sb drawings of them just based on a small silhouette, which is all the reference for them.
also, the active dutch community at this point consists mainly of me. and I am working on other things.

last but not least, you have now made sure that these will not be drawn in quite a long time, as I and I suppose many others of this 'active dutch communauty' do not like to be told what to do by an frog who does not draw anything (useful) himself.
Author:  Colombamike [ October 1st, 2013, 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
Colombamike wrote:
DAMEN
Strange to see that the Dutch COMMUNAUTY (very active on this forum), has not yet draw several current DAMEN designs...
acelanceloet wrote:
very strange indeed, that the very active part of the dutch community on this forum has not yet drawn those. NOT. first of all, quite a few of these are actually drawn. of the others, many have appeared quite recently. many of these designs are unfinished even at the damen design itself until somebody actually orders them.
Wrong
These designs are completed. Damen put them online and make marketing promotion (you know?).
Many of these (newer) designs are seen in international naval shows
These Designs can only "move" IF the customer desire some "modifications"...

At the same time, I think you already draw some "concepts ships", so your arguments do not hold...
acelanceloet wrote:
it makes little sense to try to draw sb drawings of them just based on a small silhouette, which is all the reference for them.
Just small silhouette
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Again Wrong :lol:
If you go farther away and you click, you will find brochures with official DAMEN drawings...
http://www.damen.com/en/markets/~/media ... 600DS.ashx
:lol:
acelanceloet wrote:
also, the active dutch community at this point consists mainly of me. and I am working on other things.
I understand you're working on other things
But the fact that only you represent the Dutch community, this terrified me, ah the decline of shipbucket.
acelanceloet wrote:
last but not least, you have now made sure that these will not be drawn in quite a long time, as I and I suppose many others of this 'active dutch communauty' do not like to be told what to do by an frog who does not draw anything (useful) himself.
I put links to some (open) sources, for usefull drawing source, and I'm insulted :roll: :?
And the worst is that the ("ineffective" or "sharing your idea's") moderators team are not going to do anything (you should be banned for your racist words !)
Where are the moderators ?
Terrifying
I understand why SO many shiplovers not want to participate in shipbucket.
I understand why SO many shiplovers come on this forum, steal sources & drawings, but does not contribute to this forum
Author:  acelanceloet [ October 1st, 2013, 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
if you find frog insulting, you have not spend much time on the internet. while it is not the nicest way to refer to the french, it is an common way, and it was only meant to annoy you, like you seem to like to annoy me. anyways.

I know in a few clicks, some of these designs show full drawings. those are the ones quite far or already finished. on some of these I know they are being engineered as we speak for export customers, and I wait for intel on those exact versions before drawing any of the 'options' as an never build. others I know are being worked of, as I spoke with people who are currently working on them. of course, there is an specification on the website, but that does not mean those are finished designs. (if they fully finished every design they put on the website, there would be no never build designs on there, only ships 'soon under construction'.) that said, It is possible that I work at damen in a few years and then I will have much better sources to work these from.
Author:  Colosseum [ October 1st, 2013, 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
The trouble is not that you provide useful drawing sources (generally you do), it's that your manner of posting (whether intentional or not) comes across as extremely rude to almost everyone on this forum. You may not intend it that way, but you sound very demanding and arrogant. This happens with literally all of your posts, and especially when you are critiquing others' drawings (where it is most uncalled-for). We have had this discussion many, many times with you and you don't seem to understand our concerns...
Quote:
Where are the moderators ?
Terrifying
I understand why SO many shiplovers not want to participate in shipbucket.
I understand why SO many shiplovers come on this forum, steal sources & drawings, but does not contribute to this forum
Frankly, the moderators are too busy telling you to stop being rude in other threads to notice one (fairly funny) insult directed at you. Instead of taking it like a man (who cares what some idiots on the internet say), you bleat for the moderators calling for help...
Author:  Gollevainen [ October 1st, 2013, 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
Acelancelot: Do not call members insulting names, definately not with rasict slurs attached.

Colombamike: Do not post on offensive and agressive manner if you wish that others wont react to it and start replying to you on similar manners.

Capish?
Author:  TimothyC [ October 1st, 2013, 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
For the record, the original post was as follows:
Quote:
DAMEN

Strange to see that the Dutch COMMUNAUTY (very active on this forum), has not yet draw several current DAMEN designs...

Off Shore Patrol Vessels (here)
OPV 2600, 2400, 1800 design's

Stan Patrol (here)
5009, 4207, 3507, 2606, 2205, 1605, 1204 design's

Interceptor (here)
2606, 2004, 1503, 1102 design's
Author:  acelanceloet [ October 1st, 2013, 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
gollevainen, Understood.

but please understand that I have here and on other threads of Colombimike felt irritations and insults which I consider far worse then just the word 'frog'. and even then, I would not have used it if it was just this.

that said, I agree why you don't want anything like it said again, and I fully understand that. this is not an place for faul words or annoying arguments, but an good place to draw and learn about ships. let this be it.
Author:  rd77 [ October 2nd, 2013, 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dutch Warships (current designs)
Thiel wrote:
And once more not a pod in sight.
one my directors at work was responsible for a large part of the design of the Dutch Air Defence & Command Frigates (LCF, "Zeven Provinciën" class). According to him, pods are not used on warships, because speed and reliability are important than manouverability (sp?) in port.
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