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Author: | KHT [ August 12th, 2013, 5:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
An idea of mine, maybe a follow-on to the Svealand class deadnought. So what's the rundown? Well, Sweden wanted a new battleship during the '30s, and decided to use the old 283mm/45 M/12 turrets from some older, conveniently enough, scrapped unit. Somewhat like the HMS Vanguard. Yes, I know this would be impossible for Sweden to build. I've been tinkering with AU ideas of a Sweden which possesses Norway and Finland(but I'm to lazy to come up with a good backstory, not to mention draw enough ships to actually make it a legit AU, and... yeah. The PD section is my friend), so maybe it would belong there. I'll stop my ramblings, and simply present the ship itself: Two funneled version I designed it to fit in to and fight mainly in the Baltic(I would have wanted it slightly shorter, but what the hell). The main idea sprung from a statement on another forum where someone stated that 28cm guns were plenty for Swedish conditions, and that any bigger calibre would just be too costly. In that same discussion thread(which was centered around designing ships, mostly Swedish(it was a Swedish forum), several designs from the '30s re-used old CDS guns. So I thought: why not do the same for a battleship, using the 283mm M/12? And I did. Code: Select all HSwMS Fäderneslandet, Sweden Baltic Battlecruiser laid down 1937 Displacement: 16 257 t light; 17 069 t standard; 17 645 t normal; 18 105 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (610,80 ft / 597,11 ft) x 81,36 ft x (22,97 / 23,44 ft) (186,17 m / 182,00 m) x 24,80 m x (7,00 / 7,14 m) Armament: 8 - 11,14" / 283 mm 45,0 cal guns - 672,41lbs / 305,00kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 raised mounts - superfiring 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,18lbs / 24,12kg shells, 320 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 14 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 1 500 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 2 raised mounts 2 x Single mounts on sides amidships 2 raised mounts 12 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 6 500 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 5 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts 2 x Single mounts on sides amidships 2 raised mounts Weight of broadside 6 053 lbs / 2 746 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 416,01 ft / 126,80 m 13,94 ft / 4,25 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 3,35" / 85 mm 334,65 ft / 102,00 m 16,08 ft / 4,90 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 42,98 ft / 13,10 m - Hull void: 0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 9,84" / 250 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Box over machinery & magazines: 3,94" / 100 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 74 893 shp / 55 870 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 5 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 036 tons Complement: 765 - 995 Cost: £7,881 million / $31,524 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 403 tons, 7,9 % - Guns: 1 403 tons, 7,9 % Armour: 5 853 tons, 33,2 % - Belts: 2 401 tons, 13,6 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 666 tons, 3,8 % - Armament: 1 443 tons, 8,2 % - Armour Deck: 1 204 tons, 6,8 % - Conning Tower: 138 tons, 0,8 % Machinery: 2 076 tons, 11,8 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 623 tons, 37,5 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 388 tons, 7,9 % Miscellaneous weights: 303 tons, 1,7 % - Hull below water: 28 tons - Hull void weights: 120 tons - Hull above water: 30 tons - On freeboard deck: 75 tons - Above deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 27 810 lbs / 12 615 Kg = 40,2 x 11,1 " / 283 mm shells or 4,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 16,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,56 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,553 / 0,556 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,34 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,61 ft / 1,10 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 28,00 %, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 35,00 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,31 ft / 6,80 m - Aft deck: 22,00 %, 14,44 ft / 4,40 m, 15,42 ft / 4,70 m - Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 15,42 ft / 4,70 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,25 ft / 6,17 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131,9 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,5 % Waterplane Area: 34 018 Square feet or 3 160 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 739 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,97 - Longitudinal: 1,29 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room |
Author: | Gollevainen [ August 12th, 2013, 6:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
it aint bad at all... specially like the intepretion of the 120mm twins, good work!. |
Author: | eswube [ August 12th, 2013, 7:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
Nice looking ship. You really have talent to these designs. |
Author: | KHT [ August 12th, 2013, 8:25 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard | ||
it aint bad at all... specially like the intepretion of the 120mm twins, good work!.
Thanks! My main source for those was the Från Ingegerd till Visby.
Nice looking ship. You really have talent to these designs.
Thanks! What designs specificaly do you mean? I don't think I've done a ship like this one before...
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Author: | eswube [ August 12th, 2013, 8:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
I mean AU warships from the first half of the XX century. |
Author: | Hood [ August 13th, 2013, 8:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
A excellent design. I agree its probably a bit big but it would make an excellent match with the Deutschlands and the S&G. |
Author: | KHT [ August 13th, 2013, 8:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
Thanks! I aimed for roughly those parameters(the basic idea being that it was built partly to counter the Deutschland class, with some possible potential against Scharnhorst or Gneisenau), I'm glad to see I succeded. |
Author: | Novice [ August 13th, 2013, 9:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
Nice one KHT, but it seems that the 120mm gun mountings are too big when compared with the 283mm (11") gun turrets. In fact the main armament looks small and low, and the 120mm gun mountings look hihg. |
Author: | KHT [ August 14th, 2013, 9:40 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard | |
Nice one KHT, but it seems that the 120mm gun mountings are too big when compared with the 283mm (11") gun turrets. In fact the main armament looks small and low, and the 120mm gun mountings look hihg.
Thanks! I used different sources for the different mounts, so it's possible that there has been some misscaling. I'll get to the library today and check for the books in question.
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Author: | moxica [ August 16th, 2013, 2:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: HSwMS Fäderneslandet: The Swedish Vanguard |
Very nice, looks pretty Swedish in it's design too |
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