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Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
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Author:  Krakatoa [ July 29th, 2015, 11:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
That's an interesting design Barsuk, plenty of features from all sorts of different places blended together to create what would be a good first dreadnought for any country. Well done. The only little nitpick would be the thickness of the gun barrels, they could probably be one pixel smaller.
Author:  Garlicdesign [ July 29th, 2015, 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
Hello everyone

@ Barsuk: If this is indeed - as the credits seem to indicate - a scratch-draw without significant copy and paste, it's a great entry!!

Purely aesthetical remark: The funnels would still work if they were a little slimmer, would look better to me, but that's just me.

Greetings
GD
Author:  Barsuk [ July 30th, 2015, 6:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
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the thickness of the gun barrels
Thank you, you're right, I overlooked it myself...
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a scratch-draw without significant copy and paste
Well, I copied some ideas, not the whole drawn pieces :D Maybe something was taken from parts lists (like anchors, propellers), but I prefer to adapt everything to my own design, since I really do it from scratch with the help of SpringSharp.
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The funnels would still work if they were a little slimmer
They are actually of "one and a half" size since I have three boiler compartments. Initially I've made three funnels, but later decided to merge. So maybe the initial design could look better:

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Author:  JSB [ July 30th, 2015, 6:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
Looks very nice ship :mrgreen:
Author:  Krakatoa [ July 30th, 2015, 7:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
Both versions look pretty good. Nice first entries.
Author:  Hood [ July 30th, 2015, 7:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
That's very nice work Barsuk.
I prefer the three funnel version myself, it just looks more balanced.
Author:  Garlicdesign [ July 30th, 2015, 7:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
Hello Barsuk

Like the three-funnel version better, too

Great work

Greetings
GD
Author:  Muscatatuck [ July 31st, 2015, 12:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
After nearly a year following shipbucket, I decided I would finally bite the bullet and start.
Not anywhere close to finished but the rough shape has been laid out of the Muscatatuck Imperial Navy's first dreadnaught, conceived in 1908 but not laid down until 1914.
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Springsharp=MIN Muscatatuck, Muscatatuck BC laid down 1914

Displacement:
28,801 t light; 30,289 t standard; 37,443 t normal; 43,167 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(862.86 ft / 862.86 ft) x 85.30 ft x (29.53 / 33.24 ft)
(263.00 m / 263.00 m) x 26.00 m x (9.00 / 10.13 m)

Armament:
6 - 16.14" / 410 mm 45.0 cal guns - 2,120.84lbs / 961.99kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
1 raised mount aft
1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward
14 - 5.51" / 140 mm 50.0 cal guns - 88.63lbs / 40.20kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model
14 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
Weight of broadside 13,966 lbs / 6,335 kg

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 7.50" / 191 mm 12.0" / 305 mm

- Box over machinery & magazines:
12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 2 shafts, 134,055 shp / 100,005 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12,878 tons

Complement:
1,345 - 1,749

Cost:
£3.796 million / $15.183 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,264 tons, 6.0 %
- Guns: 2,264 tons, 6.0 %
Armour: 7,964 tons, 21.3 %
- Armament: 1,845 tons, 4.9 %
- Armour Deck: 6,120 tons, 16.3 %
Machinery: 5,164 tons, 13.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,408 tons, 35.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,643 tons, 23.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
50,666 lbs / 22,982 Kg = 24.1 x 16.1 " / 410 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 16.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.603 / 0.618
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.12 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m
- Forward deck: 55.00 %, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m, 24.48 ft / 7.46 m
- Aft deck: 10.00 %, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m, 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
- Average freeboard: 21.42 ft / 6.53 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172.8 %
Waterplane Area: 53,983 Square feet or 5,015 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 868 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

I did my best to not use parts but I gave in when trying to design the bridge, funnels, and mast.
Author:  heuhen [ July 31st, 2015, 12:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
1. welcome to shipbucket.
2. it's better to use a file/image host like dropbox.com than tinypic
3. you'r drawing have been rescaled.
4. you have saved you'r drawing as JPG. Next time save as a PNG-file
5. the challenge rule
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This is a difficult one to stick parameters on. Most of the early Dreadnoughts were 18,000 to 23,000 tons with up to 12" armour belts. 18 knots to 23 knots. Gun sizes ranged around the 11"-12". Could you have an early fast battleship (25 knots), but less speed than the early 26-27 knot battlecruisers? Should BC's be included to widen the scope of the Challenge?
6. 16" guns are most likely to big for that era, specially when at this time line are talking about 11"-12" guns.
7. you'r ships is just to large, and to Heavy. almost double so heavy than the challenge rule says.
8. you'r ship is more an Battle-cruiser than a Dreadnought. It's two quit different ship types and era.
9. funnels are to big and to many of them.
10. ?

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Author:  Muscatatuck [ July 31st, 2015, 3:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Challenge "My Countries First Dreadnought" 1905-10
That's odd, it saved as MIN Muscatatuck.png on computer, so no BC's, got it, back to scratch.
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