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You're SO big already that I'd strongly consider ABLs amidships, probably a deck level lower than where you currently have the Mk 141, for a total of sixteen Tomahawks. You could then improve the arrangements forward and aft and perhaps squeeze in a full 2x64 Mark 26 arrangement.

As it is, I'm not sure everything would actually fit in the hull (especially at the bow; Mk 26 is NOT narrow). Meanwhile the helo hangar is far beamier than it really needs to be.

Thank you erik, I wasnt sure if you noticed the ABL between the MK-141's. my olny concern there is top weight. not sure how bad it would be. I suppose it wouldnt kill me to lower that deck(with the MK141 and abl) one deck. I am going to loose the forward ABL and push the MK-26 aft a bit. I think there is plenty of room for the 64 shot MK-26 as is due to the face that the ABL's take up no below deck space, but I could be wrong. As far as the hanger, dont forget that the stacks and intake is in the middle of the hanger. So ive pushed the hanger to full hull width. I suppose it could be a little smaller but it wouldnt really give me any usuable space. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this issue?

Habitable volume is important, but I think you're already way in excess. Drop that deck level.

Thanks again erik. After considering your suggestions, as well as my own thoughts that this was looking to much like a Tico. So she undergone a major redesign and I really like this a lot better.



how about this? Im not liking the forward CIWS placement and I may move it abreast of the mast. that would give me better forward coverage and then the CIWS on top of the hanger would fill in the gaps aft.

Anyway, any other suggestions I would love to hear them

As an after-thought, I am drawing the SPY-1 (flight II) version of this ship concurrently. I wont post it until I've finalized this version, but I gotta say...it looks really cool

Yeah, this is a lot better. My only other thoughts at this point:

1. I might move the guns to the ends, and the Mk 26 inboard. 8" blast damage would thus be minimized, and the Mk 26 is still a much wider system.
2. I'd delete the ABL aft, I think. 16 Tomahawk is really quite enough, twice as many as CSGN would have.
3. Delete the weird open passageway at main deck level amidships. It's going to weaken everything for no real reason. I can't think of any equivalent in the USN.

I agree with Erik, the tomahawks aft seem to be a bit much. the Mk 26 aft seems to fit, but forward it will be cramped and I suggest switching...... and then it makes no sense to keep the aft one as it is.
I would think there would be an SPG-60 somewhere for gun guidance, so both the Mk 71 could be aimed at different targets.
I am not certain on those gas turbine intakes forward and aft (the generators) they look vulnerable, and I cannot think of any ship which had such an structure on an open bow deck. aft, it might be possible, but the forward one will get an wave over it and destroy the engine below.
forward, you also have some structure directly on top of the Mk 26, I am not sure if this is an good idea, nor do I know if it makes any sense.

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Thank you erik. #1 and 2 covered. #3. this break serves a couple of purposes. first of all let me reassure you that if built like that the structure would be reinforced to support it. I would like it better a little further forward but don't think it would be practical with the ABL's on top (to much reinforcement for a practical space. Anyway, the USS Virginia has a passage like this. It gives you a place to cross from port to starboard without having to go through the ship or all the way around. Also during replenishment operations this "breeze way" was very hand for getting supplies into the ship. The galley was close and it was very convenient for this purpose. I hope I've justified this "breeze way" by providing a precedence
Thank you ace, and welcome back. I hope you enjoyed your vacation. I did forget to put the SPG-60 back on after I changed the hanger, and I've removed the forward EGTG because you are absolutely correct in your observation about it being vulnerable. The Virginia had two EDG's and they were located basically where I put these ones. I like the idea of having the emergency power located as far apart as possible, for battle damage reasons, and so I'll have to think of what to do forward. Perhaps a diesel generator up there. I believe the "structure" you are referring to are just the guards for the Antenna. They are not on top of the MK-26 (moved now so MK-71) The one forward of the mount is on the starboard side and the aft one is on the port side. Again, I have borrowed this set up from Virginia. I borrow a lot from the Virginia because I served aboard her and am biased

so here are the latest up-dates. I am happy that you guys helped me decide to change the aft-hanger area. I really like this set-up



As always, I look forward to your comments

Joe

You still have the open space under the Harpoon launchers.

I would put that break underneath the ABL. the forces of the mast standing on top of it will result in more forces on it then the ABL's do. also, in the current setup the resistance to bending moments will fluctuate a lot.
in short, I would separate the 2 structures completely and make the open space underneath an 'flying bridge' under the ABL's in between the 2 structures. you might need a few struts underneath, but that is all, and it gives the greatest strength, the lowest weight and the least risk. (you might want to make the deck more then 3 pixels thick to divert the weight of the ABL's.)

I also have the remark, that you still have the 10 bladed propeller, If I recall correctly you said you were going to use my spruance prop? just a reminder, if you have good reasons to use this one instead I have said nothing

other then that, she looks great, and I cannot wait for the full version with railings and completed detailing

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