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acelanceloet
Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 22nd, 2012, 8:15 pm
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propulsion: gas is for speed but needs a lot of air and fuel (that is where the intakes are for, large grids to let the air come into, as the only ones you have now on the funnel are just enough to cool the exhaust a bit :P)

the only reason I thought of diesel is that you have now the intakes and uptakes for .... 2 gas turbines, if I'm generous, where the tico has 4.

the tico's have topweight problems because they are based on the spruance hull. the harpoons work in that position, but on an all newbuild ship there are better places.....

look at the spruances and the new perry drawings. antenna's, satcoms, waveguides, stairs, rigging, some more diagonal grid frames. making the frames thicker might help as well.

also, your ship looks more like an burke (1990+ design) then an spruance (1970+ design) or an perry (1977+) so you might want to play with the structure layout. a bit less diagonal might help quite a lot to get it look more like it should.

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 22nd, 2012, 9:16 pm
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The Harpoons were placed on the fantail of the Ticos because there weren't anywhere else to put them because ASuW is at best a tertiary concern for USN warships. Had it been a concern the early Ticos would probably have carried a number of them in their Mk 26 launchers and the vertical launch model would have been procured for the VLS Ticos and SpruCans.
When deployed on ships that did have a major ASuW role they were usually placed in a more optimum position. See for instance the Danish Niels Juel class corvette.

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 5:29 am
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harpoons are an anti-ship missile, not anti-submarine.

EDIT: or.... we could just ignore what the confused old guy posted. :mrgreen:

repeat after me ASuW = surface, ASW = submarines

(making glaring and bloody obvious errors is such a fun time.)

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 5:53 am
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ASuW = Anti-Surface Warfare
ASW = Anti-Submarine Warfare

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 6:16 am
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Colosseum wrote:
ASuW = Anti-Surface Warfare
ASW = Anti-Submarine Warfare
crap. :oops: ok, I just got home from work, am tired, and obviously got confused. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 6:17 am
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Thiel wrote:
The Harpoons were placed on the fantail of the Ticos because there weren't anywhere else to put them because ASuW is at best a tertiary concern for USN warships. Had it been a concern the early Ticos would probably have carried a number of them in their Mk 26 launchers and the vertical launch model would have been procured for the VLS Ticos and SpruCans.
When deployed on ships that did have a major ASuW role they were usually placed in a more optimum position. See for instance the Danish Niels Juel class corvette.
ok, that I can go with, as my cruisers have surface combat as their primary role. AA and ASW are the jobs of destroyers and frigates.

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 6:51 am
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ok, try #2

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 6:55 am
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SPS-40 and SPS-49 basically do the same, I suggest you keep only 49. the platforms were the SPS-49 is on looks a bit weak also, maybe strengthen it a bit

still 4 props, and what propulsion have you chosen? also, I think I miss some torpedo tubes.

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 7:04 am
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still 4 props, and what propulsion have you chosen? also, I think I miss some torpedo tubes.
crap. forgot to fix that. as for engines, probably gas turbines, I guess.

I probably should stop trying to draw things at 2 AM, huh?

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Post subject: Re: Grays Harbor DesignsPosted: February 23rd, 2012, 7:10 am
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haha been there, done that

for an gas turbine propulsion on a ship this size, you would need about the amount of uptakes of an spruance/tico.... and the same intake surface as well. sooo.... I think you still need to enlarge the funnel 50% and add some more intakes.

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