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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 8th, 2015, 9:28 am
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My favoured design would probably be a smaller Nelson, perhaps 3x3 12in or 2x4 12in. Perhaps 27kts speed, might ditch the transom at that speed. Secondaries of 4x2 6in and 4x2 4in (probably singles at first), 2x pom-pom mounts.
I'm thinking more in therms of small battleships with two quadrtuple esheloned turrets, or even single quadruple-to-sixtuple turret of 11"-14" calibre. ;)

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 8th, 2015, 1:00 pm
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All great drawings...can't wait to see what our resident IJN Master Artist comes up with! :)

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 8th, 2015, 8:57 pm
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@Hood "My favoured design would probably be a smaller Nelson, perhaps 3x3 12in or 2x4 12in. Perhaps 27kts speed, might ditch the transom at that speed. Secondaries of 4x2 6in and 4x2 4in (probably singles at first), 2x pom-pom mounts."
To expand part of my first post: "The first (I think) such RN design was in 1926. Appearance a 12in gun Nelson.
3x3 12", armour belt 13", deck 6.75" over magazines; belt 12" deck 3.75" over machinery." 6x2 6"; 8 single 4.7"HA, 2 multiple pompoms. 23knots.
What transom?


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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 2:11 am
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My IJN 25,000t BB/BC
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You can now guess the stats and how we fitted it all into 25,000t just as well as any other Gaijin ;).

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 3:02 am
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Wow very nice!I'm thinking about in creating a BC...Just need some time and patience hehe

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 9:41 am
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Hey JSB,

That's a pretty powerful looking beasty for 25,000 tons, did the Japanese have a little 30% error in counting?


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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 11:56 am
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I Have an IJN super-cruiser/BB/BC/whatever ready since yesterday, but I have some little issues with Majhost to deal with first....

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 12:12 pm
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Krakatoa wrote:
Hey JSB,

That's a pretty powerful looking beast for 25,000 tons, did the Japanese have a little 30% error in counting?
Why let rules stand in the way of the Kidō Butai, and yes it reused 14inch turrets (3 x 2) if you look closely (declared as 3 x 3 12') its also quiet fast and really a BB rather than a BC ;).
I cant decide if it used parts from decommissioned Kongos or if IJN used a Fuso instead ?

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 1:21 pm
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JSB wrote:
I cant deside if it used parts from decomisioned Kongos or if IJN used a Fuso instead ?

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if the ONI description a few pages ago is correct at least in it's overview you have 3 25.000t units built in place of 3 Kongos (I suppose Hiei still got converted into a training ship) so you'll have 12 14-inch gun turrets avaliable for later rearmament. The three Asamas need only 9 of them so you have now 3 turrets to spare (enough to build a fourth vessel from the keel-up). Also you are scrapping roughly 82.000t replacing them with 75.000t (at least officially).
Using 2 Fusos you'll still have 12 turrets, 9 used and 3 to spare, but there is the starting problem that you have scrapped just 60.000t, which, even if you cheat on the displacement, is well below the minimum 75.000t needed to build three new vessels.
Speed-wise it is surely better to exchange the much slower Fusos (instead of the Kongos) with something that can do 28knots (like ONI claims for the Asamas)

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Post subject: Re: Proposed 25,000 ton Battleships and BattlecruisersPosted: January 9th, 2015, 1:27 pm
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This scenario speaks of a maximum of 12" guns, so shouldn't we stick within those limits?
That said, a lot of cool designs here. I particularly like the mini-Littorio.


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