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Here's where it all started, with the ordering of the two frigates (later desgnated destroyers with the Swedish pennant letter 'J' as for "Jagare" or destroyer) Sweden took a fundamental step to, once more become a true blue-water navy. It was thanks to the Parliamentary sensation of a third, unprecedented term of office for the strong Liberal-Centrist-Conservative Coalition, under the charismatic and energetic Fredrik Reinfeldt that the path was opened for the resurgence of Sweden's maritime profile. It was very much thanks to the new Defence Minister, the Liberal Jan Björklund, a strong advocate of Swedish membership at Nato and active participation in various international military and peace-keeping operations, including nation-building efforts, that the Parliament voted funds for the two frigates. The orders were placed - not at Kockum, Malmö, or Karlskronavarvet, Karlskrona, but rather at Aalborg Verft, Denmark, since they had the accumulated experience to build the ships faster and on schedule. The US-made Standard SM-2 MR RIM-66 with the ESSM were chosen, since the planned-for Aster was not at the time of purchse available. The South-African Umkontho PDMS complemented the system. Bofors provided the gunnery, including the licence-built OTO-Melar 127mm gun, though in Swedish service it was actually fitted with the Bofors 120mm gun, with a shorter barrel, but equal penetration ability.

Since the machinery layout chosen was essentially the same as the Dutch LCF-frigates, the uptakes had to be considerably redesigned. The responsibility for adapting the design to Swedish needs and requirements was placed on Kockum. Malmö.

Both ships received classic, good names; the J-32 was christened by HRH Crown Princess Victoria on June 6 2014 as H.M.S. Jacob Hägg, after a renowed 19th c. Swedish Rear-Admiral who is most famous for his many oilpaintings, aquarells, and etchings of motifs from the illustrious Swedish naval past. Her sister, J-33, followed on Feb. 14, 2015, being Christened by Ms Margaretha Wennerström, a direct, but distant relative of the famous 16th c. Admiral after which the ship was named.

At a future time it is planned to upgrade the ships to the PAAMS-Aster system for better compatibility with the newer Tre Kronor-class, still on the stocks.

Allow me thus to introduce first the H.M.S. Jacob Hägg (J-32) as flagship of the Multinational EUNAVFOR off the Horn of Africa, in the fall of 2015:



Here is the H.M.S. Jacob Bagge (J-33) as flagship of the UN-sanctioned anti-piracy operations in the Indian Ocean, permanently based at Aden, as part of a 14 ship multinational presence in the area:

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Aside from the fact that Aalborg Værft has been closed for 22 years now I like the design, though I think your logistics are going to be hell to manage with 5 different calibres of ammunition.

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HAHAHA...opps, sorry about that! Well, scratch that yard. What I basically meant was to have them built at the same yard as the current F-3500 frigates for the RDN! My bad... As for the armament they are basically showed as with optimal outfit. In practice (very much governed by availability and funds!) it'd be a very different story. Many of the ships would also be manned - and partially oufitted with international help, in the spirit of Swedish internationalism (and economic realities!)

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The last (and as it turned out, most numerous and cheapest!) class which the Swedes commissioned was the so-called 'Claes' or 'Sea Heroes' class, so named since all six ships were named after notable Swedish naval heroes from the past, all whose surnames were Claes (or spelled 'Claas' in one instance!) They were designed and built to a large degree by Stülcken, Lübeck, though final outfitting took place at either Kockum, Malmö or Karlskronavarvet, Karlskrona. As with the previous classes they were to a large extent used as testbeds for new technology and armament, effectively dividing the class into three sub-classes.

With the beginning of the first commissioned, HMSs Claes Horn and Claas Uggla, all ships were employed extensively on foreign stations; the two aforementioned sailed directly after their trials to the Mediterranean and took as their homebase the Italian naval base at Naples! - This was a direct reflection of the Swedish Government's strive to heighten its international profile with regards to nation-building and democracy-development in the Third World. The ships also were very effective anti-piracy vessels, all being equipped with a rather spacious, and in typical Swedish fashion, well-furnished gaols. In fact, the reputation of the 'Claes'-ships' luxurious appointment led many pirates to willingly give up their lucrative but dangerous trade in order to enjoy a thorough Swedish meal at sea!

On the first two ships, about a third of the crew was represented by sailors from the Baltic nations; on the Claes Fleming, fittingly enough, a Finnish captain was in charge with about two-thirds of the crew made up of Finns! (The historic Claes Fleming had had deep Finnish roots!) And with the beginning of this policy it became a standard practice of inviting sailors from other friendly nations to crew the 'Big Ships' of the Royal Swedish Navy.

So, without further ado, here are the three sub-classes presented:

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I'm wondering about a few things:
first of all: on the last 2: why haven't you replaced the forward 40mm with an millennium gun as well?
what is the radar on the aft mast?
what is that radar on the front mast of the third one?
why those outdated looking nav radars on the bridge?
and I think you lack directors at the bow position.

other then that, good looking ships, and interesting to see.

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I think the only Danish shipyard with milspec experience thats left is Karstensens Skibsværft in Skagen. Helsingør closed 15 years ago, Aalborg 22, Frederikshavn 10 and Lindø will close once the Huitfeldt class is finished.

Oh and the Ivar Huitefeldt class (SF3500)is being build at Lindø. I have to admire the irony of the Swedish navy building ships at a yard that got its experience by building the Ivar Huitfeldt class of all things.

Anyway, I can see a couple of possible scenarios that could keep Lindø around for long enough to build your ships, most likely one being if they scored a couple of export deals on the SF3500 design. Maybe to Brazil.

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For ace, thanks firstly for your appreciation! Secondly, if you read my ingress for those ships I quite explicitly stated that they serve as testbeds for different weapons' systems, which willnot preclude the changing of the forward 40mm to a millenium-gun The reason it is as it is is to keep costs down; it's easier to procure the 40mm gun; if nothing else they can be taken over from the decommissioned coastal covettes, whose demise is largely paying for the new ships. As for the three-dimensional multifunction radar it's the same radar which most recent German ships have been equipped with. It's called EADS TRS-3D-radar. On the third ship it's the Artisan radar. THe 'outmoded' nav.radar is the Ericson SeaGiraffe, which is not at all an outmoded one. And I do believe I have enough capacity for both fire- and missile control.

To Thiel, yes, thank you for pointing that out. Another thing that I can mention as a sort of irony, and which I know you, as a Dane will instantly recognize (we're both Scandinavians...) is the name 'Jacob Bagge'. After all it was this gifted Swedish admiral who defeated the Hanse-fleets who were closely allied with King Christian II (the Good, or Beneficient in Danish, the Tyrant in Swedish!), and thus helping the younger branch of the Royal family to ascend the throne in the figure of King Christian III. Later it was this gentleman who led the Swedish fleet at the beginning of the Nordic Seven Years' War. - And of course for the uninitiated observer, knowing nothing about Scandinavian naval history, it should be pointed out that the aforementioned Ivar Huitfeldt was Captain of the 82-gun Dannebrog at the battle of Køge Bugt, on Oct. 4-5 1710, when the massive battlefleets of the Swedish General-Admiral Count Hans Wachtmeister, onboard the 94-gun Göta Lejon (!) encountered the anchored fleet of the Danish Admiral Count Ulrik Chritian Gyldenløve, a natural son of the Danish King Christian V. The Dannebrog blew up in the stormy battle that ensued, taking with her all but three crewmembers, including the valiant Huitfeldt. In the battle two Swedish ships met their doom when they in successive order grounded and had to be burnt in situ. One of them was the 82-gun Tre Kronor (!),the other Prinnsessan Ulrica Eleonora, (82 guns) named after King Charles XII's sister and thus a cousin of the Danish king...

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It should also be noted that the Swedes caught the Danes virtually unprepared. Huitfeldt managed to cast loose and went out and engaged the entire Swedish flotilla by himself, buying the rest of the Danish flotilla time to up anchor and get underway. Hence why we're naming our most powerful ships after him this time.

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testbeds for weapon systems or not, I would say that you would have 2 ships with all millenium guns and 2 with the 40 mm's instead of this mixed layout.
the aft radar.... the SMART-S is an 3D search radar too, so I think you have 2 radars for the same role. correct me if I'm wrong.
for the fire control: you can't use all your weapons on the bow at the same time. you have 1 director, and you have 2 guns and an VLS. I would like to see an second director, preferably something like an STIR. what you have now would work too, but it's the cheap way, limiting the capability of the ship.
(or are the missiles active? if they are active, you don't need an second director, you then only have the drawback of using one gun at the same time.....

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