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Author: | Navybrat85 [ September 4th, 2010, 1:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Without downloading the image and "measuring" it on PDN, my guess would be OA Lenght: ~540 feet Draft: ~ 20 feet max If we put the beam at say 56 feet (which almost matches the Real Life Capitani Romani's length/Beam Ratio) I'd guess displacement is probably at least in the 6000-7000 ton range, but that's being conservative and having a nagging feeling that it's probably closer to that of a SpruCan |
Author: | klagldsf [ September 4th, 2010, 3:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Beam would probably be closer to 60, at least 57.5 feet or so. |
Author: | klagldsf [ September 4th, 2010, 4:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Here, since it's not taking at Wesworld (someone had an independent shipyard and basically almost ruined the game :rolleyes: ) I decided to just fully option it out, so to speak: Still thinking of a name. |
Author: | ezgo394 [ September 4th, 2010, 4:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
"Company name, Multiuse/customiseable frigate" |
Author: | Parador [ September 6th, 2010, 12:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Do you have some specs ???? |
Author: | klagldsf [ September 6th, 2010, 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Oh, well, hello there Parador! Clearly it seems that China has actually picked up interest. I've posted the specs earlier in the thread, and the weapons fit is customizable - I imagine you'd be using German 10.5cm guns. I've also been thinking of making a seaplane carrier based on this hull, which I think would be an excellent replacement for China's own German-based designs. |
Author: | BrockPaine [ September 7th, 2010, 1:38 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) | ||
Here, since it's not taking at Wesworld (someone had an independent shipyard and basically almost ruined the game :rolleyes: ) I decided to just fully option it out.
Mind that our system really doesn't handle "independent shipyards" at all - and we are all naval enthusiasts who pretty much want to do things our own way. Actually the previous example, as obnoxious as it was, only got one outside customer - me.
I've posted the specs earlier in the thread, and the weapons fit is customizable - I imagine you'd be using German 10.5cm guns. I've also been thinking of making a seaplane carrier based on this hull, which I think would be an excellent replacement for China's own German-based designs.
Displacement:7,300 t light; 7,537 t standard; 8,332 t normal; 8,968 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 555.00 ft / 540.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load) 169.16 m / 164.59 m x 18.29 m x 6.10 m Armament: 8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1940 Model Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring 10 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts 4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, all aft Weight of broadside 303 lbs / 137 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 400 8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - - 3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - - - Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 66,111 shp / 49,319 Kw = 32.00 kts Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1,432 tons Complement: 435 - 566 Cost: £3.209 million / $12.835 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 38 tons, 0.5 % Armour: 51 tons, 0.6 % - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 33 tons, 0.4 % - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 % Machinery: 1,768 tons, 21.2 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,994 tons, 59.9 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,032 tons, 12.4 % Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 5.4 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13,217 lbs / 5,995 Kg = 374.2 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11 Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m Roll period: 14.9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck and transom stern Block coefficient: 0.450 Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26.92 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m - Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m - Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Average freeboard: 19.72 ft / 6.01 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.6 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.6 % Waterplane Area: 21,469 Square feet or 1,995 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 192 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 721 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1.62 - Longitudinal: 2.71 - Overall: 1.71 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent You've still room to add a bit of armour, but I didn't as it wasn't on the drawing. |
Author: | ezgo394 [ September 8th, 2010, 2:03 am ] | |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) | |
Oh, well, hello there Parador!
A seaplane carrier would be cool. Would it be like the Bering Strait or the Langley?
Clearly it seems that China has actually picked up interest. I've posted the specs earlier in the thread, and the weapons fit is customizable - I imagine you'd be using German 10.5cm guns. I've also been thinking of making a seaplane carrier based on this hull, which I think would be an excellent replacement for China's own German-based designs. |
Author: | klagldsf [ September 8th, 2010, 3:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Uhhh...it would have a hangar and launch facilities on the fantail and probably be on a very different hull. |
Author: | eltf177 [ September 8th, 2010, 9:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: International Frigate design (for Wesworld) |
Using your dimensions I resimmed my designs. Dropping the high speed requirement really helped the design a lot... ******************************************************************** UK Variant 1, International Frigate laid down 1940 Displacement: 7,235 t light; 7,495 t standard; 8,335 t normal; 9,006 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 570.00 ft / 555.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load) 173.74 m / 169.16 m x 18.29 m x 6.10 m Armament: 6 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (3x2 guns), 72.35lbs / 32.82kg shells, 1940 Model Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 14 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (7x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring Weight of broadside 461 lbs / 209 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 350 8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2nd: 0.25" / 6 mm - - - Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 91,518 shp / 68,272 Kw = 33.50 kts Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1,512 tons Complement: 435 - 566 Cost: £3.866 million / $15.462 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 58 tons, 0.7 % Armour: 104 tons, 1.3 % - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 87 tons, 1.0 % - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 % Machinery: 2,447 tons, 29.4 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,176 tons, 50.1 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,100 tons, 13.2 % Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 5.4 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9,454 lbs / 4,288 Kg = 130.7 x 5.3 " / 133 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23 Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m Roll period: 13.7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.438 Length to Beam Ratio: 9.25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m - Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m - Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Average freeboard: 19.72 ft / 6.01 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.5 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.5 % Waterplane Area: 21,039 Square feet or 1,955 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 598 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1.27 - Longitudinal: 2.09 - Overall: 1.34 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent TT's in quad centerline mounts. ===================================================================== UK Variant 2, International Frigate laid down 1940 Displacement: 7,182 t light; 7,495 t standard; 8,335 t normal; 9,006 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 570.00 ft / 555.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load) 173.74 m / 169.16 m x 18.29 m x 6.10 m Armament: 10 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (5x2 guns), 72.35lbs / 32.82kg shells, 1940 Model Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring 8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1940 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring Weight of broadside 739 lbs / 335 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 350 4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2nd: 0.25" / 6 mm - - - Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 91,518 shp / 68,272 Kw = 33.50 kts Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1,512 tons Complement: 435 - 566 Cost: £4.029 million / $16.118 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 92 tons, 1.1 % Armour: 167 tons, 2.0 % - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 149 tons, 1.8 % - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0.2 % Machinery: 2,447 tons, 29.4 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,026 tons, 48.3 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,152 tons, 13.8 % Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 5.4 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8,790 lbs / 3,987 Kg = 121.5 x 5.3 " / 133 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21 Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m Roll period: 13.9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.438 Length to Beam Ratio: 9.25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m - Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m - Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m - Average freeboard: 19.72 ft / 6.01 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.0 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.9 % Waterplane Area: 21,039 Square feet or 1,955 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 133 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 576 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1.19 - Longitudinal: 1.95 - Overall: 1.25 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent Main Battery in a reverse "Brooklyn"/"Myoko"-type layout. TT's in a quad centerline mount. |
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