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Gollevainen
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 16th, 2010, 8:03 am
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Finnish Arado eh?

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moxica
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 16th, 2010, 8:48 am
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Yeah that Finnish Arado was "longterm borrowed" during a fleet visit to Finland :lol:
The reason why I put it there was that I was tired and didnt find any other suitable plane but now I will of course replace the Arado with a more suitable choice for a British ship


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moxica
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 16th, 2010, 12:42 pm
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Where can I find a Walrus plane?? :ugeek:


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BrockPaine
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 16th, 2010, 2:50 pm
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moxica wrote:
Where can I find a Walrus plane?? :ugeek:
Here's one on the Valiant; I didn't find the Walrus on the Aircraft sheets.


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Novice
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 16th, 2010, 11:13 pm
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Or you can go for the Fairy III,http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?di ... rAjax1.png

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eltf177
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 17th, 2010, 6:20 pm
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Took a shot at doing it up in SS...

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Moxica, UK Battleship laid down 1942

Displacement:
67,097 t light; 70,791 t standard; 74,714 t normal; 77,853 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
1,001.22 ft / 985.00 ft x 109.00 ft (Bulges 129.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)
305.17 m / 300.23 m x 33.22 m (Bulges 39.32 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:
12 - 16.00" / 406 mm guns (4x3 guns), 2,048.00lbs / 928.96kg shells, 1942 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5.25" / 133 mm guns (8x2 guns), 72.35lbs / 32.82kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
126 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (21x6 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 18 raised mounts
68 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (34x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.66" / 16.8 mm guns (5x4 guns), 0.14lbs / 0.06kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 25,998 lbs / 11,793 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 8.00" / 203 mm 100.00 ft / 30.48 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
385.00 ft / 117.35 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 10.0" / 254 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Main Belt covers 78 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.00" / 25 mm 850.00 ft / 259.08 m 20.00 ft / 6.10 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 16.0" / 406 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armour deck: 6.00" / 152 mm, Conning tower: 16.00" / 406 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 219,634 shp / 163,847 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,062 tons

Complement:
2,259 - 2,937

Cost:
£37.428 million / $149.712 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,250 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 26,347 tons, 35.3 %
- Belts: 7,869 tons, 10.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 629 tons, 0.8 %
- Armament: 7,386 tons, 9.9 %
- Armour Deck: 9,852 tons, 13.2 %
- Conning Tower: 611 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 5,738 tons, 7.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 31,512 tons, 42.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,618 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
136,916 lbs / 62,104 Kg = 66.9 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 19.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 7.3 ft / 2.2 m
Roll period: 20.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.735
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.64 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 34.52 ft / 10.52 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 32.97 ft / 10.05 m
- Mid (50 %): 30.97 ft / 9.44 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 28.97 ft / 8.83 m
- Stern: 28.97 ft / 8.83 m
- Average freeboard: 31.14 ft / 9.49 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 231.2 %
Waterplane Area: 88,756 Square feet or 8,246 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 243 lbs/sq ft or 1,187 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.04
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weight includes a rotating catapult amidships plus a crane for one floatplane (no hanger).


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moxica
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 17th, 2010, 11:42 pm
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Thank you :)
Seems like my ship isnt that bad, I am working on a modernised version of it at the moment


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moxica
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 18th, 2010, 12:10 am
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I made a new ship for my fleet based on the idea that during WW2 Britain constructed ships thrue the lend&lease program.
I give you all the Colonial Class cruiser
Its not yet fully finished but it gives an idea about how it will look
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Novice
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 18th, 2010, 6:55 am
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That ship is too short. The forcastle will be wet, end completely unworkable in any sea bu a dead calm. The stern also is too short. Depth of the hull, maybe is enough for the rear most gun turret, but the hull is too deep, which means drag. I'm guessing around 25 kts at full power (in dead calm), not enough speed.
Position of the aft mast is bad, as smoke from the funnel will play havock with the radar atop it, through corrosion, and smut which will obscure the radar (many false echoes at that time, with WW2 radar technology, even allowing for metric wave-lengh).
Please note that the 40mm guns (quadruple mountings as you drew) had a dedicated gun director, which is missing.
That's about all for now, other than the attempt is a good start IMHO.

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Portsmouth Bill
Post subject: Re: My first attempt is readyPosted: October 18th, 2010, 7:58 am
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I liked the earlier, single funelled project; and yes, Novice has pointed out some areas for improvement. Incidentally; 'Lend Lease' was not, nor could be, a program that would permit the building of ships in other than U.S. yards: that was the point of it.


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