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Author:  heuhen [ November 20th, 2012, 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  What if Norway....
After the cold war the Norwegian Navy was fast reduced to a small Coastal protection Navy. But what if this never did happen, what Navy would Norway have?

In the real world:
in the 60'S the Norwegian Navy was renewed with Help by USA-money. (USA financed Half or more of the Norwegian Navy) So the rebuild Navy after the 60*s building program consisted off:

PT boats:

- 20 Tjeld class patrol boat, 1959–1992.
- 20 Storm class, 1965-2000
- 6 Snøgg class, 1970–1995
- 14 Hauk class, 1977-2001, 2001-2008 (Super-Hauk)

Submarines, diesel-electric hunter-killer U-boat!:

- 15 Kobben class(Type 207), 1964–2001
- 6 Ula class, 1989 – present

Corvettes:

- 2 Sleipner class, 1965–1992. (off this ships there was planned 5 of them, but it was only build two and they was shortened by 5-7 meters!)

Frigates:

- 5 Oslo class, 1966–2007 ( was one time after a large modification, one of the most powerful frigates off it's size!)


In this AU: I will post ships that I have drawn, they will be ships that either are next in line of a class, or a totally new ships. So this is the list of ships to draw (will be updated when I have something:

- PT boats: Continuation on the existing design of Norwegian PT boats and new vessels. 20-30 vessels +- (ca. Totally crew size:400-600)
- Corvettes: Continuation on existing design and new vessels. 5-8 vessels +- (ca. Totally crew size:300-600)
- frigates: Continuation on existing design and new vessels. 5-8 vessels +- (ca. Totally crew size:700-1300)
- Destroyers: Norway had some destroyers before and after WWII, So it's naturally to still have a small class. 3-5 vessels +- (ca. Totally crew size:600-1500)
- Submarines: There is better to have two to three different class of submarines. 20 vessels +- (ca. Totally crew size:500-800)
Author:  heuhen [ November 20th, 2012, 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What if Norway....
Corvettes:

Sleipner class Batch 2

this class of Sleipner class, are a class of ships that is build on the originally Sleipner class hull, but without the shrinking diet The Norwegian government gave it.
They are designed around more AAW capability and thus loos the Terne III ASW and ASW. thanks to longer hull they speed is improved by 5 knots from the originally Sleipner class. something they was intended to do in the real world, if it wasn't for the government.

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Sleipner class Batch 2 upgraded version.

This is one version it can have be upgraded to, It is now more focused around AAW and ASuW. thus is giving a more bigger role to support frigates and destroyers and protect them form Air and sea attack, so frigates ad destroyers can focus more on their ASW mission.

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Valkyrien class, the replacement of the Sleipner class. They are a more all-rounder than they predecessors.

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Submarine:

Odin class
Is a class of submarine that is placed in the era after Ula class as the replacement for a class of submarines that replaced the Kobben class. It is sharing systems with Ula class but with some twist here and there. one of here nasty things is she has a small VLS that works under water on the aft deck. that gives here capability to attack ASW Helicopters and aircraft's. But she can also use it to shoot a type off grenade directly in to a enemy ship or submarine!

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Author:  Hood [ November 21st, 2012, 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What if Norway....
Interesting thread and some interesting ideas. Another AU thread to keep an eye on!
Author:  Portsmouth Bill [ November 21st, 2012, 4:18 pm ]
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Excellent designs Shipmate. I'm a fan of the Sleipner concept, so good to see the class being given more capability. Re the sub launched sam; I understand that the Shorts navalised Blowpipe was a failure due to the risk being greater to the sub from the the aircraft being attacked.
Author:  heuhen [ November 21st, 2012, 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What if Norway....
Portsmouth Bill wrote:
Re the sub launched sam; I understand that the Shorts navalised Blowpipe was a failure due to the risk being greater to the sub from the the aircraft being attacked.

And this one was build in the era where some submarine was equip with things like that.... and later was found out to not work as intended, just as you say. Many navys have had a lot off these fail and try projects!
Author:  heuhen [ November 24th, 2012, 1:23 am ]
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Thor class submarine:

Build as a class of offshore submarine, while Ula class submarine is great near coastline, this submarine is designed specific to work offshore and all the way up to any possible enemy shoreline. The deign is designed around:

- Space.
- Crew of just 30 man+.
- Large hull, wider than most submarines.
- two crew deck.
- Range under and above water.

- Weapon's and magazine.
- 6 Large 533 mm ASW-ASuW torpedo tubes
- 8 Short 324 mm ASW-ASuW torpedo tubes
- Storage, 12 533 mm and 24 324 mm
- New type of torpedo handling lift. This lift make the loading of a torpedo semiautomatic.

- crew space and storage space for special operation.
- crew berths for up to 50 man. Standard 40 man.
- Two outward facing storage compartment for special operation. can also be used in rescue mission between submarines.

- Sonar and other systems.

- equipped with flanking sonar and two type of bow sonar. Also equipped with active towed sonar.

Estimated speed is: 26 knots, 18 knots.

Range bellow water range is greater than the crew air storage.!

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This is probably the latest of this submarine I am going to draw. since there are no point to draw the future just now, but perhaps later. Next up is the final corvette, then some frigates.
Author:  heuhen [ November 24th, 2012, 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What if Norway....
Hordaland class

Was the replacement for the aging corvettes. This ships have similar work as an Fridtjof Nansen class frigate, but with shorter range, and less weapon payload, that mean that this vessel have two basic MK 41 VLS there are No reload. There are also just a limited reload fro the NSM, smaller magazine for the 76 mm and 35 mm. But the advantage this ship have is that it have a modular aft deck and modular storage apartment bellow the 35 mm.

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Author:  acelanceloet [ November 24th, 2012, 4:15 pm ]
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quite nice, but gas turbines? isn't that a bit much for this vessel? (I say gas turbines from the amount of air intakes on the funnel)
also, why thales equipment here while it was not on the nansen? (I love it, just wondering why)
the NSM have an problem though: if you launch now you will blow fire in your air intakes.
btw, where is the VLS? 16 cell VLS is quite an potent load with quadpacked ESSM........
Author:  heuhen [ November 24th, 2012, 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What if Norway....
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quite nice, but gas turbines? isn't that a bit much for this vessel? (I say gas turbines from the amount of air intakes on the funnel)
gas turbine or jet turbine, since both fridtjof Nansen and skjold class is using them.
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also, why thales equipment here while it was not on the nansen? (I love it, just wondering why)
Originally I want to use US system all over, but the SPY-series is to heavy for this hull. Norway have basically gone from British radar at the moment. But then I was thinking about what can give most capability over weight, and are more easy to mount.... But if you have a good suggestion about a radar I can use so I can continue the Norwegian_US radar systems...
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the NSM have an problem though: if you launch now you will blow fire in your air intakes.
I will turn the NSM to the 90 degrees one.
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btw, where is the VLS? 16 cell VLS is quite an potent load with quadpacked ESSM........
On the side of the superstructure bellow the 35 mm, just like those Americans Freedom class. (If they can do it, I can do it!)
Author:  Portsmouth Bill [ November 24th, 2012, 6:23 pm ]
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Hordaland class, very nice, but what helicopter? :)
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