Well...
At a block coefficient of 0.800, she looks like one of the tugboat barges I so often see out on the Tombigbee. Not precisely an ideal hullform for a warship- your battleship will have a hull shaped like a supertanker.
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| Author: | Rodondo [ May 23rd, 2011, 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
I wanted to see if what a 10,000 tonne displacement battleship looked like if the Germans tried to conform to the treaty (even through they probably could not have been able to make these even in 1922). So I ran the numbers through Springsharp and came up with the following EDIT-specs on next page I'll have the first edit up soonish (7+ days?) |
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| Author: | eltf177 [ May 23rd, 2011, 10:16 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany | |
Versaille, Germany Dreadnought laid down 1924
Bit of a problem here...
No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 20,672 shp / 15,422 Kw = 20.50 kts |
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| Author: | Rodondo [ May 23rd, 2011, 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
Ah...*runs back to drawing board* |
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| Author: | Carthaginian [ May 23rd, 2011, 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
Well... At a block coefficient of 0.800, she looks like one of the tugboat barges I so often see out on the Tombigbee. Not precisely an ideal hullform for a warship- your battleship will have a hull shaped like a supertanker.
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| Author: | Rodondo [ May 23rd, 2011, 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
Oh.... fixed and gave the ship more of a heavy cruiser style hull |
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| Author: | klagldsf [ May 23rd, 2011, 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
...you know what this is sounding like, actually? ![[ img ]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Bundesarchiv_DVM_10_Bild-23-63-06%2C_Panzerschiff_%22Admiral_Graf_Spee%22.jpg) Do note that they were built to comply with treaty restrictions (though the Germans lied about them anyway) |
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| Author: | Rodondo [ May 23rd, 2011, 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
Yeah They will be quite like the Deutschland class,except: *8.5 knots slower *much more heavily armoured (nearly double) *6500km range (they would only roam the North sea and the Baltic) *100 feet shorter,3.5 feet thinner, 7.5 feet shallower and probably older control systems etc Not sure for a name, "Weimar" probably wouldn't do |
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| Author: | Carthaginian [ May 24th, 2011, 2:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
The speed would be far, far more useful than a 10" armor belt that's only 12' high. I'd go with protection against a 6" opponent, and try to squeeze out as much speed as possible. Then you start seeing the necessity for a 'disproportionate commitment' on your enemy's part; you have a cruiser with extremely big guns and decent armor... you need a battlecruiser or a cruiser squadron to kill it, and unlike the Deutschland it will be hard for most cruisers to catch. Heck, I might even drop down to 2x2x280mm and give her a respectable secondary of 12x1x150mm. Or, you could potentially recycle some of the old 170mm/L40 guns from the old pre-dreads as secondaries (as a cost-saving measure) since these ships would be mostly for use against merchants. Actually, since the 'modern' version of the 280mm doesn't exist as of 1924, I'd figure that the main battery would also have to be scavenged off the old pre-dreads as well... again, call it 'cost-saving' measure in a nation that is probably rather opposed to any major military spending. |
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| Author: | Rodondo [ May 24th, 2011, 3:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
so.... reduce armour to 6"-7" main belt? 2x2x280mm main, scavenged speed up 30knts? 6x1x170mm secondary |
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| Author: | Carthaginian [ May 24th, 2011, 4:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "Treaty of Versailles" Battleship for Germany |
What I am saying is that the Deutschland was too great a compromise- too slow to outrun a cruiser which could sink her, and too lightly armed and armored to fight a battlecruiser... which she could not escape. Germany would either need a linienschiffe made to fight a battleship, or a commerce raider which could keep pace with a cruiser. The Deutschland tried to be both... and achieved neither. |
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